So with the recent rules change to Anarch being a sect, would Mata Hari be allowed to play Piper to recruit a Nephandus just because of her card text (without being forced to become Anarch)?
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Alf
Name: Mata Hari [KMW:U/PAn] Cardtype: Vampire Clan: Ravnos Group: 4 Capacity: 7 Discipline: aus for qui CHI OBF Independent. Red List: Mata Hari has 2 votes (titled). You and she may play cards that require a sect and/or clan as if she were of that required sect and/or clan. Artist: Steve Prescott
Name: Piper [TR:R] Cardtype: Master Master. Requires a ready anarch. A ready unlocked anarch you control employs or recruits a retainer or ally from your hand (requirements and cost apply as normal). This is not an action and cannot be blocked. Lock that anarch. Artist: Andrew Trabbold
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> alf wrote:
> So with the recent rules change to Anarch being a sect, would Mata Hari be allowed to play Piper to recruit a Nephandus just because of her card text (without being forced to become Anarch)?
> [asking for a friend ]
> Thanks in advance
> Alf
>
She can play Piper, but not in order to recruit a Nephandus since she doesn't play (=from your hand) the Nephandus in that case. Mata Hari only mimicks the clan when "playing" cards.
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Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
So the card (eg Nephandus) is not played but also not put into play.
How does it get onto the table? It states it gets recruited ...
Also: VTES One has a FAQ stating otherwise and isn‘t contradicted so far.
vtesone.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/vtes-rules-piper-qa/
Q: If “Mata Hari” is an Anarch, can I use to “Piper” to tap her and recruit an ally requiring a clan, e.g. a “War Ghoul” or “Renegade Garou“?
A: “Piper” requires that the Anarch tapped for the “Piper” fulfill the requirements for recruiting the ally, and “Mata Hari clearly can recruit all those allies requiring a clan.
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> alf wrote:
> So the card (eg Nephandus) is not played but also not put into play.
> How does it get onto the table? It states it gets recruited ...
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Exactly, that's why it ends up in play.
Recruiting an ally puts it in play.
Putting an ally in play puts it is play (but the ally is not recruited, so it can act the same turn for instance).
If you play an ally card to recruit that ally, then the ally is recruited and put in play. But there are other ways to recruit allies, such as Piper.
> alf wrote:
> Also: VTES One has a FAQ stating otherwise and isn‘t contradicted so far.
> vtesone.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/vtes-rules-piper-qa/
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> Q: If “Mata Hari” is an Anarch, can I use to “Piper” to tap her and recruit an ally requiring a clan, e.g. a “War Ghoul” or “Renegade Garou“?
> A: “Piper” requires that the Anarch tapped for the “Piper” fulfill the requirements for recruiting the ally, and “Mata Hari clearly can recruit all those allies requiring a clan.
>
It was contradicted by the above links.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
Vampire who plays piper, recruits the ally in question.
In order to recruit a nephandus, the vampire needs to be anti-tremere.
If Mata Hari would recruit a nephandus via piper, she doesn't count as anti-tremere for nephandus since Mata Hari is not playing the nephandus from your hand. Therefore it doesn't work.
This is decently straightforward imo..
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