Test new crypt contest rule league 2020.-report
League start in monday,12 players play in 3 tables.
In Europe we see 2 games finished by time limit without GW,
game in American zone finished with maximum 4vpGW for new player.
People much cry how with new rules all will play:Nana,Enkidu,unnamed
but that dint happen. In 13 decks played only 3 play with star vampires:
Stanislava,Lutz and Matashunta.
Remember self organize games is allowed,players can play more than one
game during week,but maximum number games in league is 6!
Until now 1 player play 2 games.
results is in images,and tabela in link:
www.vtes-hook.com/vtes/show-event-informations?show=event&liga=00052
You posted the tables twice.
Also my deck is just bleed, not toolbox. Seems like the archetype keeps changing even if the deck doesnt
Smoking craters tell no tales.
—Tex talks Battletech
> Bloodartist wrote:
> You posted the tables twice.
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> Also my deck is just bleed, not toolbox. Seems like the archetype keeps changing even if the deck doesnt
>
Right i post twice,now i delete double images.
I fix you deck in hook page
Test new crypt contest rule league 2020.-report self organize games
1 game is played in friday. Anyone interested to play self organize game today?
Tomorow we continue with organizing game round 2.
> BrooklynMike wrote:
> Igor, thanks for posting. Will I get a VEKN ID number from this league?
>
Traditionally, your Prince or (if there is none available) your National Coordinator will provide you with a VEKN ID. [Edit: Seconded by Ginés.]
Where are you from?
National Coordinator Germany nc [dot] germany [at] magenta [dot] de
> BrooklynMike wrote:
> Igor, thanks for posting. Will I get a VEKN ID number from this league?
>
Not for now Mike,but idk what will happen in future. If online leagues be acepted in VEKN official list then you probably get ID number
BrooklynMike simply needs to contact his Prince or NC, that should be doable.
In the rare case that not, he should contact Ginés (Damnans).
National Coordinator Germany nc [dot] germany [at] magenta [dot] de
Test new crypt contest rule league 2020.- round 2 report
Sory for delay report,I be out of pc.
Until now in round 2 is played 4 games.
Finaly we see contest crypt-Enkidu!!!!!!!
Tabela is here: www.vtes-hook.com/vtes/show-event-informations?show=event&liga=00052
Results in images:
Question on the New Contest Rule League:
If I control a specific unique vampire, and I successfully play Graverobbing on the same copy of that unique vampire, what happens?
Do I control two copies of that vampire as long as I am willing to pay the contest?
National Coordinator Germany nc [dot] germany [at] magenta [dot] de
> Hakuron wrote:
> Question on the New Contest Rule League:
> If I control a specific unique vampire, and I successfully play Graverobbing on the same copy of that unique vampire, what happens?
> Do I control two copies of that vampire as long as I am willing to pay the contest?
>
I will put same answer as did in fb:
lol lol crazy question,I dont think about that. by rulebook you cant contest youself,but if somehow you forced to contest youself,second copy is burned. You also can take with tempation,spirit marionete,with coruption counter,so I think if you take control by any way contested vampire I think is no sense to be burned,so for now rule is:Both vampire stay in play,can act,block.... in you unlock pay contest 2 pool,or burn one by you chose,I think is fair by this rule?! some feedback?
I know you're trying to find a new contestation mechanic for vampires, but allowing a methuselah to control two of the same unique vampire via Graverobbing, etc. is too much.
The incoming vampire must burn; this is the only way to maintain balance. I don't want to be bleed by two Nergals or smashed by two Enkidus.
That does mean that you could break the contestation in interesting ways, such as Spirit Marionette to take control of a rival vampire and burning it. I think if you're going to try this contestation rule that makes the game more interesting and balanced than just getting two copies of a unique vampire.
> kschaefer wrote:
> I know you're trying to find a new contestation mechanic for vampires, but allowing a methuselah to control two of the same unique vampire via Graverobbing, etc. is too much.
>
> The incoming vampire must burn; this is the only way to maintain balance. I don't want to be bleed by two Nergals or smashed by two Enkidus.
>
> That does mean that you could break the contestation in interesting ways, such as Spirit Marionette to take control of a rival vampire and burning it. I think if you're going to try this contestation rule that makes the game more interesting and balanced than just getting two copies of a unique vampire.
>
I consider vampire burning due to uniqueness in such a case (controlled by same player) to be worse... Its too easy to achieve such (spirit marionette, grave robbing, etc). I think paying both contests yourself (lose 2 pool per turn) would be enough to dissuade from doing it.
Smoking craters tell no tales.
—Tex talks Battletech
About rule if you take control another player vampire,what happen,I see how Lönkka Bloodartist Hakuron have same opinion as me,and kschaefer have diferent opinion.
Well I think no sense steal another vampire with graverobing and you know because of contest this vampire will burned,so have more logic to this vampire stay in play and you pay 2 pool contest,is enough penalty for it. But dont think about that much,I dont beleive to that will happen.
we play 9 games until now and get only 1 contest,how much is chance to you steal vampire controled another player who is contested with you,chance is 1:1000.
but we will see how work if happen,and maye rule be changed during league.
Be good if Ankha or James want to tell his opinion
> beslin wrote:
> About rule if you take control another player vampire,what happen,I see how Lönkka Bloodartist Hakuron have same opinion as me,and kschaefer have diferent opinion.
> Well I think no sense steal another vampire with graverobing and you know because of contest this vampire will burned,so have more logic to this vampire stay in play and you pay 2 pool contest,is enough penalty for it. But dont think about that much,I dont beleive to that will happen.
> we play 9 games until now and get only 1 contest,how much is chance to you steal vampire controled another player who is contested with you,chance is 1:1000.
> but we will see how work if happen,and maye rule be changed during league.
> Be good if Ankha or James want to tell his opinion
>
Well in case of graverobbing, the robbed vampire is sort of permanently lost by its owner anyway, so in that case it makes little difference;
But there are many other ways to temporarily steal such a vampire (temptation, mind rape, spirit marionette), and burning the vampire as a result of one single action would be way too harsh and easy to achieve in my opinion.
Smoking craters tell no tales.
—Tex talks Battletech
> beslin wrote:
> Well I think no sense steal another vampire with graverobing and you know because of contest this vampire will burned,so have more logic to this vampire stay in play and you pay 2 pool contest,is enough penalty for it. But dont think about that much,I dont beleive to that will happen.
>
Or I burn my copy because I choose not to contest and then the stolen copy is free. The owner of the original vampire doesn't even have them in their ash heap because his is still in play.
So, I don't see anyone actually paying 2 pool unless it's going to get them an oust this turn.
What you're doing is highlighting problems with your proposed mechanic, which suggests that from a gameplay standpoint is worse than the current one because it's less consistent.
When think again and again about all,by logic if you stole vampire,you deserve to have 2 same copy,yea,but is not good to one player have in table: 2 enkidu,2 stanislava,2 unnamed.....
so by any way if you contest youself,we use curent rule from rulebook: You can't control more than one of the same unique card at a time, and you cannot contest cards with yourself (if some effect would force you to contest a card with yourself, then you simply burn the incoming copy of the unique card)
so example: if you graverobing vampire control another player:stole vampire is burned-immediately,and you pay pool example for tension of the ranks in play-maybe is beter to you chose diablerie instead. same rule for spirit marionete,tempation,mind rape: :stole vampire is burned-immediately,and you pay pool example for tension of the ranks in play.
we use this rule in round 3,I hope I get advice from ankha or james,and if they give diferent advice rule can be changed in round 4,no before
Test new crypt contest rule league 2020-round 3
2 tables is played in Europe zone.
25 players participate until now.
tabela: www.vtes-hook.com/vtes/show-event-informations?show=event&liga=00052
> Bloodartist wrote:
>
> > beslin wrote:
> > About rule if you take control another player vampire,what happen,I see how Lönkka Bloodartist Hakuron have same opinion as me,and kschaefer have diferent opinion.
> > Well I think no sense steal another vampire with graverobing and you know because of contest this vampire will burned,so have more logic to this vampire stay in play and you pay 2 pool contest,is enough penalty for it. But dont think about that much,I dont beleive to that will happen.
> > we play 9 games until now and get only 1 contest,how much is chance to you steal vampire controled another player who is contested with you,chance is 1:1000.
> > but we will see how work if happen,and maye rule be changed during league.
> > Be good if Ankha or James want to tell his opinion
> >
> Well in case of graverobbing, the robbed vampire is sort of permanently lost by its owner anyway, so in that case it makes little difference;
>
> But there are many other ways to temporarily steal such a vampire (temptation, mind rape, spirit marionette), and burning the vampire as a result of one single action would be way too harsh and easy to achieve in my opinion.
>
Keep in mind that you are in the context of contesting a vampire, which is not very frequent, and that it is easy to burn a vampire with a single action, for instance if that vampire is in torpor.
Anyway, I'd say that the current rules stand: "you cannot contest cards with yourself (if some effect would force you to contest a card with yourself, then you simply burn the incoming copy of the unique card)".
So you cannot play a graverobbing on another unique vampire you already control, and if another effect "forces you" to take control of it (maybe a card like Hostile Takeover), then you burn the copy you just took control of.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
League report (Ke report from discord american zone):
mjvtes521 1VP (Shalmath) > CaspianWhitefish (Shalmath) > Ke 3VP (Weenie Auspex) > Killiam (low cap tzmesci bleed)
mjvtes521 and CaspianWhitefish contested Shalmath for the entire game, but were still able to partially play their game. They also contested Ankara and took turns discarding each others enkil cogs with Vaticination.
Killiam pressured mjvtes521 very quickly; but once mjvtes521 had Anima Gathering and Aranthebes, The Immortal in play he had to wait for an opportunity to lunge.
Ke declined to block CaspianWhitefish's Shalmath for the entirety of the game. Once CaspianWhitefish was ousted and mjvtes521's Shalmath was weak Smiling Jack entered play.
mjvtes521's Shalmath was blocked hunting twice empty and ended up in torpor — this secured the game since his other minion only had 1 blood and Killiam's minions were also in torpor
> Ankha wrote:
>
> > Bloodartist wrote:
> >
> > > beslin wrote:
> > > About rule if you take control another player vampire,what happen,I see how Lönkka Bloodartist Hakuron have same opinion as me,and kschaefer have diferent opinion.
> > > Well I think no sense steal another vampire with graverobing and you know because of contest this vampire will burned,so have more logic to this vampire stay in play and you pay 2 pool contest,is enough penalty for it. But dont think about that much,I dont beleive to that will happen.
> > > we play 9 games until now and get only 1 contest,how much is chance to you steal vampire controled another player who is contested with you,chance is 1:1000.
> > > but we will see how work if happen,and maye rule be changed during league.
> > > Be good if Ankha or James want to tell his opinion
> > >
> > >
> > Well in case of graverobbing, the robbed vampire is sort of permanently lost by its owner anyway, so in that case it makes little difference;
> >
> > But there are many other ways to temporarily steal such a vampire (temptation, mind rape, spirit marionette), and burning the vampire as a result of one single action would be way too harsh and easy to achieve in my opinion.
> >
> Keep in mind that you are in the context of contesting a vampire, which is not very frequent, and that it is easy to burn a vampire with a single action, for instance if that vampire is in torpor.
>
> Anyway, I'd say that the current rules stand: "you cannot contest cards with yourself (if some effect would force you to contest a card with yourself, then you simply burn the incoming copy of the unique card)".
>
> So you cannot play a graverobbing on another unique vampire you already control, and if another effect "forces you" to take control of it (maybe a card like Hostile Takeover), then you burn the copy you just took control of.
>
Ankha,I see you and james(him answer in fb group) have same opinion about graverobing,so then is same rule for:spirit marionete,mind rape. but what if you have tempation in play,is not action,and if tempation in contested vampire with you,what you will say,can you take this vampire you control this turn(and burn)?
> Ankha wrote:
> So you cannot play a graverobbing on another unique vampire you already control, and if another effect "forces you" to take control of it (maybe a card like Hostile Takeover), then you burn the copy you just took control of.
>
I like this rule most out of the suggestions. Its one I was about to suggest myself. By virtue of self-contesting being illegal, you just couldn't steal another copy of a vampire you already control...
Smoking craters tell no tales.
—Tex talks Battletech
> beslin wrote:
> Ankha,I see you and james(him answer in fb group) have same opinion about graverobing,so then is same rule for:spirit marionete,mind rape. but what if you have tempation in play,is not action,and if tempation in contested vampire with you,what you will say,can you take this vampire you control this turn(and burn)?
>
Activating temptation is a "may" ability. You are not forced to do it, rather it is a choice. By same virtue of self-contesting, I think you shouldn't be able to activate it to take control of a second copy of a vampire you control..
Smoking craters tell no tales.
—Tex talks Battletech
> Bloodartist wrote:
>
> > beslin wrote:
> > Ankha,I see you and james(him answer in fb group) have same opinion about graverobing,so then is same rule for:spirit marionete,mind rape. but what if you have tempation in play,is not action,and if tempation in contested vampire with you,what you will say,can you take this vampire you control this turn(and burn)?
> >
> Activating temptation is a "may" ability. You are not forced to do it, rather it is a choice. By same virtue of self-contesting, I think you shouldn't be able to activate it to take control of a second copy of a vampire you control..
>
Indeed.
The same way that you cannot enter combat with your own minions etc.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
Test new crypt contest rule league 2020-round 4
Yesterday is played 2 organized game in round 4,in each zone 1 game,both game finished by GW before time limit.
We have 28 players in league now.
Total 14 games played and only in 2 game until now we see contest crypt.
I hope we get more games in this round with selforganize games,I will open in fb page register for selforganize game who be played tomorow in 20h CET.
Results in image and tabela in link: www.vtes-hook.com/vtes/show-event-informations?show=event&liga=00052
6th round is finished.
2 game play in europe and 1 game in american zone. all games finished by GW.
4 players with 2GW take spot in finals,5and6 place tie and 2 players need to roll dice to determine 5th finalist.
Test new crypt contest rule league 2020-finals report
This league is finished.
22 games played-only 3 contest seen-Shalmath,Enkidu and Anarch Convert.
31 players participate.
Winner is Marcin Krom-maajin from Poland.
I will put report with images:
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