Hi.
I have some questions about banishing some "vampires".
Player A had stanislava, who Dual formed. Player B banish dual form, burning the original stanislava. What happens with the dual form card sent to the uncontrolled region? Can it be influenced? is it burned?
I have the same question with call the great beast, web of knives recruit, embrace, etc.
thanks
I am death.
Paul Kersey, Death Wish
> Charles_Bronson wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I have some questions about banishing some "vampires".
>
> Player A had stanislava, who Dual formed. Player B banish dual form, burning the original stanislava. What happens with the dual form card sent to the uncontrolled region? Can it be influenced?
>
Yes.
> Charles_Bronson wrote:
> is it burned?
>
No, the chain effect ends with one burn. groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/z0h_iuHxy4g/t2hjg-0PCOMJ
EDIT: I realized I might need to clarify there being only one burn per dual form card. If you have a situation where dual forms are creating dual forms in a chain, then yes there can be "chain burns" but it's only because each card only burns one vampire like dominos.
> Charles_Bronson wrote:
> I have the same question with call the great beast, web of knives recruit, embrace, etc.
>
> thanks
>
This bit from LSJ back in 2004 indirectly answers that question as it deals with what happens to embrace etc. "vampire" library cards when moved from uncontrolled to crypt.
groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/DY1OggZnMvs/7rSTvY34PRAJ
> >why the progeny go to ash heap??? the text say... put this card in
> > play, it becomes a vampire... (no can play card as a vampire or else)
> > and the banishment say Choose a younger ready vampire....
>
> If the Embrace is Banished, it goes to the uncontrolled region,
> where it remains a vampire and can be affected as normal by
> things that affect vampires in the uncontrolled region (transfers,
> Govern the Unaligned, etc.)
>
> If it is then moved from the uncontrolled region to the crypt,
> it will be moved to the ash heap instead, since it cannot be
> in a crypt (library cards cannot be in a crypt and vice versa).
>
I assume this is still the case as card ruling for embrace refer to 1999, they(cards that become vampires after x, y or z happens) behave like vampires in uncontrolled region, if there is attempt to move them further to crypt, they're ashed. groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/x5k5Vw_hkI0/lCqkvlUz5yIJ
Trust in Jan Pieterzoon.
Ok, to clarify the above: the banished dual form made from Stanislava can be moved to the ready region in the influence phase as soon as it has 10 blood.
What about the other way around? If Stanislava is for some reason banished after creating a dual form - does she remain a 10cap in the uncontrolled region? It may be different than discipline cards etc., which are only active when controlled, but I'm not sure.
Sebastian
> Menteith wrote:
> Ok, to clarify the above: the banished dual form made from Stanislava can be moved to the ready region in the influence phase as soon as it has 10 blood.
>
> What about the other way around? If Stanislava is for some reason banished after creating a dual form - does she remain a 10cap in the uncontrolled region? It may be different than discipline cards etc., which are only active when controlled, but I'm not sure.
>
reducing cap is pernamant,LSJ rule: groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/BD7KIWBI0Cs/m/g8vJICHAu7oJ
> Menteith wrote:
> Ok, to clarify the above: the banished dual form made from Stanislava can be moved to the ready region in the influence phase as soon as it has 10 blood.
>
Yes, it is treated like a vampire in the uncontrolled region. [LSJ 20060522]
> Menteith wrote:
> What about the other way around? If Stanislava is for some reason banished after creating a dual form - does she remain a 10cap in the uncontrolled region?
>
Yes, the capacity reduction is permanent as per card text. [LSJ 20051116]
> Menteith wrote:
> It may be different than discipline cards etc., which are only active when controlled, but I'm not sure.
>
Don´tunderstand what you mean/trying to say with the above.
> inm8 wrote:
>
> > Menteith wrote:
> > Ok, to clarify the above: the banished dual form made from Stanislava can be moved to the ready region in the influence phase as soon as it has 10 blood.
> >
> Yes, it is treated like a vampire in the uncontrolled region. [LSJ 20060522]
>
> > Menteith wrote:
> > What about the other way around? If Stanislava is for some reason banished after creating a dual form - does she remain a 10cap in the uncontrolled region?
> >
> Yes, the capacity reduction is permanent as per card text. [LSJ 20051116]
>
Correct. See groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/BD7KIWBI0Cs/m/g8vJICHAu7oJ
> inm8 wrote:
>
> > Menteith wrote:
> > It may be different than discipline cards etc., which are only active when controlled, but I'm not sure.
> >
> Don´tunderstand what you mean/trying to say with the above.
>
Menteith is talking about cards or effects that increase or decrease capacity while they are in play, such as a master Discipline card, or the cardtext of Tariq, The Silent.
Those do not count when influencing out the vampire back.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Ankha wrote:
>
> > inm8 wrote:
> >
> > > Menteith wrote:
> > > It may be different than discipline cards etc., which are only active when controlled, but I'm not sure.
> > >
> > >
> > Don´tunderstand what you mean/trying to say with the above.
> >
> Menteith is talking about cards or effects that increase or decrease capacity while they are in play, such as a master Discipline card, or the cardtext of Tariq, The Silent.
> Those do not count when influencing out the vampire back.
>
Thanks for clarifying, not that it is needed but here are previously issued rulings.
[LSJ 20100126] A cards (i.e. crypt card, etc.) text only applies when in play
[LSJ 20090226] Discipline cards in uncontrolled region
[LSJ 20011202] Tariq card text
[RTR 20000501] Master and minion cards in uncontrolled region