Action Modifiers Played at Beginning and End of an Action

Some disagreements recently arose having to do with the timing windows for playing action modifiers: 1. Is a Methuselah permitted to play an action modifier during the as-announced window of action declaration, assuming said modifier does not specify when it is to be played? 1a. For instance, could I play a Conditioning as I declare a bleed in the hopes of drawing into and playing a Seduction afterward? 2. Freak Drive specifies that it is played “at the end” of an action. Once Freak Drive has been played, can other action modifiers be played afterward? For example: 2a. Can I play Daring the Dawn after Freak Drive? 2b. Can I play Voter Captivation after Freak Drive? Thanks! -Bill Name: Seduction Cardtype: Action Modifier Discipline: Dominate Only usable as the action is announced. [dom] Choose a younger vampire. The chosen vampire cannot block this action. [DOM] As above, but choose any vampire. Name: Conditioning Cardtype: Action Modifier Cost: 1 blood Discipline: Dominate Only usable during a bleed action. [dom] +2 bleed (limited). [DOM] +3 bleed (limited). Name: Freak Drive Cardtype: Action Modifier Cost: 1 blood Discipline: Fortitude [for] Only usable at the end of a successful action (after resolving the action). This vampire unlocks. [FOR] As above, but usable even if the action is blocked (play after combat, if any). Name: Daring the Dawn Cardtype: Action Modifier Discipline: Fortitude [for] Vampires cannot block this action. The acting vampire takes 2 unpreventable aggravated damage after the action resolves. [FOR] As above, but the acting vampire takes 1 unpreventable aggravated damage. Name: Voter Captivation Cardtype: Action Modifier Discipline: Presence Only usable after resolving a successful referendum called by this acting vampire. The acting vampire gains X blood from the blood bank, where X is the number of votes by which the referendum passed. As above, but move up to 2 of those blood counters to your pool instead of this vampire. -Killiam (Bill Troxel) "I look back from where I'm from Look at the woman I've become And the strangest things seem Suddenly routine" -Hedwig Robinson

> Killiam wrote: > Some disagreements recently arose having to do with the timing windows for playing action modifiers: > > 1. Is a Methuselah permitted to play an action modifier during the as-announced window of action declaration, assuming said modifier does not specify when it is to be played? > 1a. For instance, could I play a Conditioning as I declare a bleed in the hopes of drawing into and playing a Seduction afterward? > No. > Killiam wrote: > 2. Freak Drive specifies that it is played “at the end” of an action. Once Freak Drive has been played, can other action modifiers be played afterward? > Freak Drive is played after action resolution. Other modifiers that are played after action resolution can be played. > Killiam wrote: > For example: > 2a. Can I play Daring the Dawn after Freak Drive? > No. Daring the Dawn is not usable after action resolution. By default, action modifiers must be played before action resolution. > Killiam wrote: > 2b. Can I play Voter Captivation after Freak Drive? > Yes, Voter Captivation is played "after resolving a successful referendum" which is the same window as "after action resolution" (since the end of the action resolution in that case is the end of the the resolution of the referendum). Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Thanks! -Killiam (Bill Troxel) "I look back from where I'm from Look at the woman I've become And the strangest things seem Suddenly routine" -Hedwig Robinson

> Ankha wrote: > > > Killiam wrote: > > For example: > > 2a. Can I play Daring the Dawn after Freak Drive? > > > No. Daring the Dawn is not usable after action resolution. By default, action modifiers must be played before action resolution. > Wow, it seems I have been playing Daring wrong in my chain of command deck, where I would blow up my chained minion after the bleed resolves to possess them back afterwards. Hmrph, I guess I need give my opponents a change to bounce the unblockable bleed after all.