Greetings Meths, been a while!
My question is the following: Can you play Set's Curse on Ilomba? Allow me to highlight lines that makes me wonder.
> Name: Ilomba
> [EK:R]
> Cardtype: Retainer
> Animal with 1 life. Requires a Laibon.
> Put Ilomba on any minion (this is a +1 stealth action if that minion is controlled by another Methuselah). If Ilomba would burn a life (or would otherwise be burned), this minion burns a blood or life instead. If he or she cannot, he or she is burned. A minion may have only one Ilomba.
> Artist: Ron Spencer
>
> Name: Set's Curse
> [LotN:R]
> Cardtype: Action
> Cost: 2 blood
> Discipline: Serpentis
> +1 stealth action.
> [ser] Burn any ally or retainer to put this card into play. This card becomes an animal ally with 3 life, 2 strength and 0 bleed. This ally cannot have or use equipment or retainers and cannot play action cards.
> [SER] As above, but burn a vampire with capacity less than 3 to put this card in play.
> Artist: Jim DiBartolo
>
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I would say no, because Set's Curse's ruling follow the "Do X to Y", and thus, if X didn't happen, you cannot resolve Y. In this case, you attempt to burn a ilomba, but instead end up burning a blood. As you did not burn a retainer, you cannot put the Set's Curse in play.
> Malachy wrote:
> Greetings Meths, been a while!
>
> My question is the following: Can you play Set's Curse on Ilomba?
>
Yes, you can play it (there is a legal target and nothing prohibits it) but as Ratadin pointed out, the following will occur if the action is successful:
- you don't burn Ilomba. Instead, the minion it is attached to burns 1 blood or is burned
EDIT: reverted the following:
- you don't put the Set's Curse into play since Ilomba was not burned, and burning the retainer is the condition to put the Set's Curse into play ("burn... TO ...")
So basically, all it does is burning 1 blood on the minion Ilomba is attached to.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Ankha wrote:
>
> > Malachy wrote:
> > Greetings Meths, been a while!
> >
> > My question is the following: Can you play Set's Curse on Ilomba?
> >
> Yes, you can play it (there is a legal target and nothing prohibits it) but as Ratadin pointed out, the following will occur if the action is successful:
>
> - you don't burn Ilomba. Instead, the minion it is attached to burns 1 blood or is burned
> - you don't put the Set's Curse into play since Ilomba was not burned, and burning the retainer is the condition to put the Set's Curse into play ("burn... TO ...")
>
> So basically, all it does is burning 1 blood on the minion Ilomba is attached to.
>
Sorry to ressurrect this one, but Ilomba got quite popular here this week .
By the answer above I assume this one is wrong:
>
> LSJ
>
> XZealot wrote:
> > Can you use Set's Curse on an Ilomba to put the Set's Curse into play
> > yet not burn the Ilomba (instead making the Ilbomba's controlling
> > vampire burn a blood)?Yes.groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/O_mLHK6ExiA/m/k4scTDzyF1QJ
>
So I'd like to confirm:
1) Can Ilomba be used as target for War Ghoul recruit action and instead of burn it, make it's bearer burn blood (or be burned) instead, fullfiling the requirement?
2) Can Ilomba's bearer burn 1 blood to have supeior Pack Alpha instead of burning Ilomba?
Card texts:Name: War Ghoul
Warning: Spoiler!
[Sabbat:R, SW:R, Third:R/PTz] Cardtype: Ally Clan: Tzimisce Cost: 3 pool Ghoul with 5 life. 4 strength, 0 bleed. When War Ghoul enters play, burn an ally or retainer you control. She can enter combat with any ready vampire controlled by another Methuselah as a action. She may prevent 1 damage each round. Lock and burn War Ghoul to burn any location; you cannot use this ability during combat. Artist: Mark Tedin
Name: Pack Alpha
Warning: Spoiler!
[KMW:C]
Cardtype: Combat
Discipline: Animalism
A vampire may play only one Pack Alpha each round.
[ani] This vampire employs an animal retainer from your hand before range is determined. Pay cost as normal.
[ANI] Burn an animal retainer employed by this vampire and put this card on this vampire. The minion with this card gets +1 strength. A minion may have only one Pack Alpha.
Artist: Travis Ingram
Flip a coin. Thank you.
> thiagotargino wrote:
>
> > Ankha wrote:
> >
> > > Malachy wrote:
> > > Greetings Meths, been a while!
> > >
> > > My question is the following: Can you play Set's Curse on Ilomba?
> > >
> > >
> > Yes, you can play it (there is a legal target and nothing prohibits it) but as Ratadin pointed out, the following will occur if the action is successful:
> >
> > - you don't burn Ilomba. Instead, the minion it is attached to burns 1 blood or is burned
> > - you don't put the Set's Curse into play since Ilomba was not burned, and burning the retainer is the condition to put the Set's Curse into play ("burn... TO ...")
> >
> > So basically, all it does is burning 1 blood on the minion Ilomba is attached to.
> >
> Sorry to ressurrect this one, but Ilomba got quite popular here this week .
>
> By the answer above I assume this one is wrong:
> >
> > LSJ
> >
> > XZealot wrote:
> > > Can you use Set's Curse on an Ilomba to put the Set's Curse into play
> > > yet not burn the Ilomba (instead making the Ilbomba's controlling
> > > vampire burn a blood)?Yes.groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/O_mLHK6ExiA/m/k4scTDzyF1QJ
> >
Sorry, my mistake. LSJ's ruling stand: the cost was paid (burn the Ilomba, then Ilomba's cardtext kicks in).
> thiagotargino wrote:
> So I'd like to confirm:
>
> 1) Can Ilomba be used as target for War Ghoul recruit action and instead of burn it, make it's bearer burn blood (or be burned) instead, fullfiling the requirement?
>
Yes. groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/7jBRkJ6hZKQ/m/0HESgmupt_QJ
> thiagotargino wrote:
> 2) Can Ilomba's bearer burn 1 blood to have supeior Pack Alpha instead of burning Ilomba?
>
Yes. groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/O_mLHK6ExiA/m/oxCUz4N8Su0J
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director