Following a discussion about no-repeat actions rule (very vaguely written in both rulebooks btw), the following question propped up:
1. Can you freely repeat actions that are not bleed, political or action cards? Example: can you attempt to steal powerbase montreal multiple times during same turn with a single vampire? (Or remove pentex) There is no real NRA rule in the rulebook, instead, the rulebook explicitly forbids certain actions from being repeated. Corollary: actions that are not mentioned are repeatable apparently?
2. Can you rush multiple times during the same turn with the same vampire using frontal assault?
Frontal assault is not an action card and doesn't use wording that would restrict it. (this has a huge impact on my combat decks if true)
> Name: Frontal Assault
> [Third:U, LotN:PA, KoT:U, SP:PwN2]
> Cardtype: Master
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> Put this card in play. Each ready minion you control can enter combat with a minion controlled by your prey as a action. You gain 1 pool after a ready minion controlled by your prey is burned or sent to torpor. During your influence phase, burn this card and burn 1 pool for each ready minion controlled by your prey.
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> To take the action described by a card in play, announce the action and lock the acting minion. If the action is successful, it resolves as indicated on the card (and the cost, if any, is paid). If the action is unsuccessful, there is no effect.
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> A minion cannot perform an action with the same action card more than once each turn, even if he unlocks.A minion cannot perform each action via the same card in play (including from the minion's own card text) more than once each turn, even if he unlocks.
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BCP Rulebook p. 13
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I think this is pretty straight forward. Isn't it?
So no, you cannot repeat actions granted by cards in play or card effects. This should include Frontal Assault.
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1) yes
2) no, you can try to diablerize the same torpored vampire with different vampires, or you can diablerize different vampires with a single one
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> thelonius wrote:
> 2) no, you can try to diablerize the same torpored vampire with different vampires, or you can diablerize different vampires with a single one
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What will prevent you from diablerizing the same vampire multiple times in the same turn ?
Do you consider that it is an action granted by a card in play ???
I am pretty sure it isn't...
> thelonius wrote:
> 1) yes
> 2) no, you can try to diablerize the same torpored vampire with different vampires, or you can diablerize different vampires with a single one
>
BCP Rulebook 6.5.3 and 6.5.4 on page 24 do not prohibit repeated actions directed at torpor, ie. diablerie or rescue.
Those actions are not special abilities of vampires nor action cards nor cards that have inherent actions. Thus, they can be repeated.
Unless you can find somewhere else that prohibits this?
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6.1.6[...]
A minion cannot perform each action via the same card in play (including from the minion's own card text) more than once each turn, even if he unlocks.
I assume that rescuing a vampire in torpor is granted by a card which is the vampire in torpor. Maybe I'm mistaken
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6.1.6. Action Card (or Card in Play)
A minion can use an action card to take an action, and some cards in play will allow special actions to be taken as well.
By my logic, Diablerie or Rescue is not special action given by card in play, it is general rule, just like hunt. It's not written on the card in play (like on Haven Uncovered, e.g.).
default rescue/diab action is cardless and repeatable.
you cant play something like cloak of blood twice though.
Requires a vampire with capacity 6 or more who can commit diablerie. Diablerize a vampire in torpor, and this vampire can get +1 level of a Discipline the victim had. In the resulting blood hunt referendum, this vampire gets +2 votes.
but you could play cloak of blood, then take default diab action.
im pretty sure no vampire has a special text action for rescue or diablerie.
> Kraus wrote:
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> > thelonius wrote:
> > 1) yes
> > 2) no, you can try to diablerize the same torpored vampire with different vampires, or you can diablerize different vampires with a single one
> >
> BCP Rulebook 6.5.3 and 6.5.4 on page 24 do not prohibit repeated actions directed at torpor, ie. diablerie or rescue.
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> Those actions are not special abilities of vampires nor action cards nor cards that have inherent actions. Thus, they can be repeated.
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Correct. A vampire in torpor is not a card that grants a diablerie action, the cardless diablerie action is included in the rules and can be repeated (the vampire in torpor is merely the target).
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The question has arisen on multiple occasions.
"Natural" (ie. not provided by card or ability) Diablerie, Rescue and Leave torpor are repeatable. It can not be included in cards rulings as such, though.
Could it be included in the rulebook or in the General Rulings on the VEKN site ?
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