Freak Drive + Capitalist

Can you successfully bleed your prey while already having Capitalust, then play Freak Drive to unlock, paying 1 blood, then receive a blood from the blood bank for Capitalist?

Card texts? Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> Name: Freak Drive > Cardtype: Action Modifier > Cost: 1 blood > Discipline: Fortitude > [for] Only usable at the end of a successful action (after resolving the action). This vampire unlocks. > [FOR] As above, but usable even if the action is blocked (play after combat, if any). > > Name: Capitalist > Cardtype: Master > Master: archetype. > Put this card on a Sabbat vampire you control. Once per turn, when this vampire successfully bleeds his or her prey, he or she gains 1 blood from the bank. A vampire can have only one archetype. > Smoking craters tell no tales. —Tex talks Battletech

Sorry, thought the text was not needed for this question. Will add text from here on out. Pretty much the question is having a free Freak Drive when bleeding successfully. Does Freak Drive happen before Capitalist. Answer?

> Trigger wrote: > Sorry, thought the text was not needed for this question. Will add text from here on out. Pretty much the question is having a free Freak Drive when bleeding successfully. Does Freak Drive happen before Capitalist. Answer? > As per forum guidelines, relevant text is always required for rules questions. It is a good practice anyways, since you can miss all sorts of little things. Checking the card text for the hundredth time might answer the question right there and then. Generally speaking, not in this case in particular. "Oh, to the Hades with the manners! He's a complete bastard, and calling him that insults bastards everywhere!" -Nalia De-Arnise garourimgazette.wordpress.com/ www.vekn.net/forum-guidelines

So this is legal?

Name: Freak Drive Cardtype: Action Modifier Cost: 1 blood Discipline: Fortitude [for] Only usable at the end of a successful action (after resolving the action). This vampire unlocks. [FOR] As above, but usable even if the action is blocked (play after combat, if any). Name: Capitalist Cardtype: Master Master: archetype. Put this card on a Sabbat vampire you control. Once per turn, when this vampire successfully bleeds his or her prey, he or she gains 1 blood from the bank. A vampire can have only one archetype. So if vampire A bleeds sucessfully, can you play Freak Drive to unlock, then use Capitalist to get back the 1 blood you spent to play Freak Drive? Technically, unlocking for free if Freak Drive can be used first, then Capitalist to get 1 blood back? Just making sure the timing of each as Capitalist doesn't really say when you receive 1 blood.

it seems to me like the gaining of the blood from capitalist is added to the end of the bleed resolution and freak drive is played after the action's resolution so the cost would be paid after the blood is gained from capitalist.

> d-mohn wrote: > it seems to me like the gaining of the blood from capitalist is added to the end of the bleed resolution and freak drive is played after the action's resolution so the cost would be paid after the blood is gained from capitalist. > I'm trying to find out which comes first, bleed resolution or action resolution, or whether these happen at the same time (unlikely because whoever makes these rules likes complexity). I am failing. I cannot find it from rulebook or detailed play summary (nothing new on that front). I have a feeling (I may recall an earlier ruling vaguely) that if they don't happen at the same time, then bleed resolution (and the +1 blood) would happen first, and freak drive would be the very last thing of an action. In this case you would sort of waste 1 blood if you were full.. Smoking craters tell no tales. —Tex talks Battletech

You play Enkil cog after successfully bleeding your prey. Freak drive and Enkil cog are played in the same window. This tells me that freak drive is played after bleed resolution. Lackeyname: Kris

Voter Captivation and Freak Drive also are played in the same window. Voter Captivation can recoup the blood cost of Freak Drive. My guess is that Capitalist works similarly. "Oh, to the Hades with the manners! He's a complete bastard, and calling him that insults bastards everywhere!" -Nalia De-Arnise garourimgazette.wordpress.com/ www.vekn.net/forum-guidelines

The big question is whether these would happen in the same window, so they could be ordered as you choose. Lackey text for voter captivation differs from the official card list, what is up with that? Smoking craters tell no tales. —Tex talks Battletech

> Trigger wrote: > Can you successfully bleed your prey while already having Capitalust, then play Freak Drive to unlock, paying 1 blood, then receive a blood from the blood bank for Capitalist? > Yes. Both happens after action resolution. You can order the effects as you like. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Sweet. I thought that as well as both happen after so I could choose the order of each. Thanks for the ruling.