Touch of Clarity,
Action Modifier/Reaction,
1 blood,
Dementation,
Usable by an acting minion or any ready unlocked minion.
[dem] Cancel a non-combat card requiring Dementation [dem], Dominate [dom] or Presence as it is played, and its cost is not paid. Lock this vampire.
[DEM] As above, but do not lock this vampire.
Fast Reaction
Reaction,
Auspex
Only usable after a combat involving a blocking minion you control other than this vampire and the acting minion.
[aus] Lock this vampire. This vampire and the acting minion enter combat. The first round of combat, the acting minion cannot strike.
[AUS] As above, with 1 optional press.
Touch of Clarity and Fast Reaction is posible to play with locked minion after some of wake cards?
If you have enough time-window to play wake+Touch of Clarity to cancel some of action cards?
I need a scenario to know what exactly you're asking.
But this is from rules:
Wake: A vampire that wakes during an action can attempt to block that action and/or play reaction cards as though unlocked for the duration of the action. Wake effects can always be played during the "as a card is played" window, in order to play other reaction cards that must be played in that window. A reaction cards that unlocks a vampire but doesn't wake it is not considered as a wake effect and can't be played during the "as a card is played" window
And
On the Qui Vive
[Reaction] Reaction
Only usable by a tapped minion. This reacting minion can play reaction cards and attempt to block as though untapped until the current action is concluded. If this minion is an ally, he or she does not untap as normal during his or her next untap phase. A minion may play only one On the Qui Vive between his or her untap phases.
Are you asking how long you are under the wake effect?
Because you asked about enough time, listed 2 cards that go in the "no wake needed" category, and ask about timing mentioning wake effects.
Touch is in the same "as it is played" window as wakes, by the words" ...as it is played..." defining what it does.
Fast reaction defines when to play it, after a combat meeting its criteria.(like cats guidance).
I'm unsure the scenario when you have a Touch target in that window.
From the rulebook (hooray!)
>
> Wake: A vampire that wakes during an action can attempt to block that action and/or play reaction cards as though unlocked for the duration of the action. Wake effects can always be played during the "as a card is played" window, in order to play other reaction cards that must be played in that window. A reaction cards that unlocks a vampire but doesn't wake it is not considered as a wake effect and can't be played during the "as a card is played" window.
>
So wake and a cancel card can be played in the "as card is played" window together. Wakes can be played in this window specifically to allow cancel cards to be played in the same window. (note the part that cards that untap but do not wake are not playable in this window)
So the answer to touch of clarity question is yes.
The fast reaction question: I think the answer is no, because I don't think there is a window to play a wake post-combat.
However, the way I see it you could play wake (or two wakes) before blocking on two separate vampires which should allow you block with one and then use fast reaction on the other vampire once the first combat is over. The wake applies for the duration of the action.
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> Bloodartist wrote:
>
> The fast reaction question: I think the answer is no, because I don't think there is a window to play a wake post-combat.
> However, the way I see it you could play wake (or two wakes) before blocking on two separate vampires which should allow you block with one and then use fast reaction on the other vampire once the first combat is over. The wake applies for the duration of the action.
>
I'm almost positive you can play a wake post combat. combat doesn't end the action by default.
there's windows for cat's guidance, forced vigilance. or if the combat was 'SCE: and continue' you could still wake and flick a bleed for example.
@narpassword: I think the window you're describing is one that the card creates, not one inherent to the game's structure. The same way the game's combat structure is Maneuver-Strike-Press but certain cards create windows 'before maneuvers' and 'before strikes'.
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> narpassword wrote:
>
> I'm almost positive you can play a wake post combat. combat doesn't end the action by default.
>
> there's windows for cat's guidance, forced vigilance. or if the combat was 'SCE: and continue' you could still wake and flick a bleed for example.
>
I think you are right. If you for example block with a vampire, opponent plays super form of mist, you can play wake with another vampire to still attempt to block. Dunno what I was thinking. So the answer to both questions is yes.
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ReverendRevolver you ask for scenario,well i maybe not write best and i try give example now:
1) A vampire play any action card requiring Dominate(also can be presence),so LOCKED reacting vampire can play wake card(example On the Qui Vive) and Touch of Clarity to cancel action card? that is me question. and if can(I read answer other players and they said can) so him can play both of these cards before A vampire play Seduction(or any cards who can be played when is action anounced).
I also can ask how is safe play these card to avoid problems? do you need to said acting player stop,i will cancel this,or give me other correct example.
2) After combat acting minion and you blocking minion can you play with LOCKED vampire any wake cards and Fast Reaction to enter combat with acting minion(other people answer yes,so probably is that answer)
Sory because I not good explain me question
I corrected your questions to make them more understandable.
>
> beslin wrote:
> 1) A vampire play an action card requiring Dominate (or Presence). Can a LOCKED reacting vampire play a wake card (for instance On the Qui Vive) and Touch of Clarity to cancel the action card ?
>
Yes. Wake cards can be played in the "as played" window.
> beslin wrote:
> If I can, can I play both of these cards before the vampire plays a Seduction (or any card that can be played when an action is announced)?
>
You are obliged too, since cancelling a card happens before replacing that card, and "as the action is announced" are played later.
> beslin wrote:
> What is the right way to play these card to avoid problems ? Do you need to say to the acting player "stop, I will cancel this"?
>
The right sequence is:
a) acting player locks his vampire and plays the action cards.
b) you play a wake*
c) you replace the wake
d) you play a Touch of Clarity*
e) you replace the Touch of Clarity
f) the acting vampire is not locked (unlock him if he was unlocked before announcing the action) and the acting player replaces the action card.
* another player could also cancel your cards at that point, but I'll keep it simple.
If the acting player marks a pause at step a) to allow players to cancel his action card, then there should be no problem.
If the acting player plays his action card, replaces it and plays a Seduction (or even worse, as I see it played sometimes, both the action cards and the Seduction at the same time, before replacing both), all of that before** you can cancel the action card, then you have to stop him, revert back to when the action cards was played, and then proceed with the cancellation step, even if in the end, you don't cancel his card***.
** of course, it's always hard to prove there was enough time to allow the card to be cancelled. Still, most of the time, you should be allowed to roll back to when the card was played, unless the move was clearly a trick to know if the acting player had a Seduction in hand or not (up to the judge to decide).
*** for instance, your predator plays a Govern the Unaligned at superior, and you want to know if it is to gain pool by transferring back, or to bring out a new vampire (in which case you'd cancel it).
> beslin wrote:
> 2) After combat between an acting minion and a blocking minion you control, can you play any wake cards with a LOCKED vampire and Fast Reaction to enter combat with acting minion.
>
Yes.
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> Ankha wrote:
> ...
> If the acting player plays his action card, replaces it and plays a Seduction (or even worse, as I see it played sometimes, both the action cards and the Seduction at the same time, before replacing both) ...
>
Need only this phrase to explain something to a player I met on Lackey yesterday.
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> Ankha wrote:
>
> If the acting player marks a pause at step a) to allow players to cancel his action card, then there should be no problem.
> If the acting player plays his action card, replaces it and plays a Seduction (or even worse, as I see it played sometimes, both the action cards and the Seduction at the same time,
>
The reason why this isn't done in real life practically ever, is the pace of the game. It slows the game down CONSIDERABLY if you have to pause after every single card played. Another reason is that reacting players tend to jump immediately into blocks and sometimes even combat if you pause, thinking you aren't playing any more cards. So it turns into "Wait,
I play seduction" -backtrack. The rule is not a practical one, and I wouldn't mind it changed so that the backtrack wouldn't need to happen.
In real life, almost every DI causes a backtrack.
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> Hakuron wrote:
>
> > Ankha wrote:
> > ...
> > If the acting player plays his action card, replaces it and plays a Seduction (or even worse, as I see it played sometimes, both the action cards and the Seduction at the same time, before replacing both) ...
> >
> Need only this phrase to explain something to a player I met on Lackey yesterday.
>
Have to put this one up again, because many players are not aware of how to sequence Seduction correctly.
@Ankha: Maybe you could write a short note und put it into the next VEKN Newsletter?
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Sorry for re-opening this old thread.
I came across this ruling when talking about Touch of Clarity in the discord on an unrelated matter.
Is the below really correct (in particular the steps c and e)?
> Ankha wrote:
> The right sequence is:
> a) acting player locks his vampire and plays the action cards.
> b) you play a wake*
> c) you replace the wake
> d) you play a Touch of Clarity*
> e) you replace the Touch of Clarity
> f) the acting vampire is not locked (unlock him if he was unlocked before announcing the action) and the acting player replaces the action card.
>
> * another player could also cancel your cards at that point, but I'll keep it simple.
>
> inm8 wrote:
> Sorry for re-opening this old thread.
>
> I came across this ruling when talking about Touch of Clarity in the discord on an unrelated matter.
>
> Is the below really correct (in particular the steps c and e)?
>
> > Ankha wrote:
> > The right sequence is:
> > a) acting player locks his vampire and plays the action cards.
> > b) you play a wake*
> > c) you replace the wake
> > d) you play a Touch of Clarity*
> > e) you replace the Touch of Clarity
> > f) the acting vampire is not locked (unlock him if he was unlocked before announcing the action) and the acting player replaces the action card.
> >
> > * another player could also cancel your cards at that point, but I'll keep it simple.
> >
No, an existing ruling was found after this post: www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/79369-direct-intervention?start=12#103398
So the sequence is:
a) acting player locks his vampire and plays the action cards.
b) you play a wake*
c) you play a Touch of Clarity*
d) the acting vampire is not locked (unlock him if he was unlocked before announcing the action) and the cards are replaced
* another player could also cancel your cards at that point, but I'll keep it simple.
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