Question about Inceptor

Inceptor Unique Master Put this card on a vampire of capacity 1, and put three cards from your hand, ash heap or library on this card, face up but out of play.This vampire may play other copies of these cards as if he or she had the Discipline required (if any) at superior. Are masters allowed as one of those three cards? The text says "This vampire may play other copies of these cards" but a master card isn't one that a vampire can play. But then it includes the word "may" which indicates that the vampire needn't play that card. But does that include cards that the vampire definitely cannot play? It seems like there is some ambiguity there and I can see how it could go either way. Sorrow

Yes, any card can go on inceptor, which could mean you remove Giant's Blood from your deck because it has been played, Unmasking, etc. Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one. -Friedrich Nietzsche brandonsantacruz.blogspot.com/

> Sorrow wrote: > Are masters allowed as one of those three cards? > Any library card would be fine for the "put three cards" text. That doesn't mean it goes on to work... > Sorrow wrote: > The text says "This vampire may play other copies of these cards" but a master card isn't one that a vampire can play. > It isn't. Ditto, they can't play Events. Ditto, they can't play Parity Shift because they don't meet the requirements of being a Prince or Justicar, so they can't play that (unless you actually made them a Prince or Justicar and then it's irrelevant anyway). If the minion card has a sect requirement (e.g. Anarch), it won't fake that either. The card can be played as if the Inceptor had the discipline, if any - but that's the only rule it breaks, under the Golden Rule of Cards. So you still need to be able to meet all the other requirements on how to play it. > Sorrow wrote: > But then it includes the word "may" which indicates that the vampire needn't play that card. But does that include cards that the vampire definitely cannot play? > There's nothing stopping you putting cards on it, as it just says "three cards". So 99% of the time that will be a waste, and you're likely to want to put cards requiring disciplines on it to get that benefit.

Dear all, I prefer to continue that thread for one more easy question about Inceptor. Do the three cards that have been placed face up go the the ash heap if Inceptor if burnt? Full card text: Put this card on a vampire of capacity 1, and put three cards from your hand, ash heap or library on this card, face up but out of play. This vampire may play other copies of these cards as if he or she had the Discipline required (if any) at superior. Thanks in advance, Regards, Rémi. I am Rémi Cavaillé (), Barcelona (Spain). I was the Prince of Lyon (France) around 2003. I am now Official Judge and the 5th Prince of Barcelona. Enjoy VTES, Marvel Champions, L5R and more gaming activities in Khan Jugar: sites.google.com/view/khanjugar/

> Rémi wrote: > Do the three cards that have been placed face up go the the ash heap if Inceptor if burnt? > They are burned: groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/6rqhybcysh8/m/hU-qIp2on-YJ > LSJ wrote: > If a card leaves play, the cards on/under it are burned. > Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Hello, The card is a bit ambiguous [...] and put three cards from your hand, ash heap or library on this card, [...] For the library part : are cards drawn from top of your library, or search in the library . Neither "top card" or "search your livbrary" working is used ? Basically, we are choosing in the hand or we are searching simsheery

> Mikl wrote: > Hello, > > The card is a bit ambiguous > > [...] and put three cards from > your hand, ash heap or library on this card, [...] > > For the library part : are cards drawn from top of your library, or search in the library . Neither "top card" or "search your livbrary" working is used ? > > Basically, we are choosing in the hand or we are searching simsheery > It should say: "search your hand, ash heap, and/or library for three cards and put them..." Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> Ankha wrote: > It should say: "search your hand, ash heap, and/or library for three cards and put them..." > OK, so, for the library part, it does mean a search in library, not pick the top card. I assume a shuffle afterward. Thank you.. really interesting card.

> Mikl wrote: > I assume a shuffle afterward. > > Thank you.. > > really interesting card. > Search is a defined keyword in the rulebook, page 16. “Search”: Some effects have you search your library or crypt. You do not have to announce the card you are searching, and searching can result in not finding the card. If you search your library or crypt, you must shuffle it afterwards. Smoking craters tell no tales. —Tex talks Battletech