CSV for Lost Kindred are available

They can be found in the Download > Card lists menu on the left. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Thanks for this Although there are some surprising changes in the cardlist.txt file, such as > Punish wrote: > > Cardtype: Action/Combat > Discipline: Redemption > > Non-existant user wrote: > > Capacity: 6 > Discipline: mar red vis > As someone who refers players to the cardlist.txt file as an official source, I would prefer it if these went back to being Virtue, for clarity. -- National Coordinator South Africa

> drnlmza wrote: > Thanks for this > > Although there are some surprising changes in the cardlist.txt file, such as > > > Punish wrote: > > > > Cardtype: Action/Combat > > Discipline: Redemption > > > > Non-existant user wrote: > > > > Capacity: 6 > > Discipline: mar red vis > > > As someone who refers players to the cardlist.txt file as an official source, I would prefer it if these went back to being Virtue, for clarity. > I will fix it. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

One more nitpick: The vtessets.csv file lists the release date for Lost Kindred as 2018-01-01 -- National Coordinator South Africa

Also, Legacy appears to have been replaced with a second copy of Legacy of Caine in both the CSV and cardlist.txt files -- National Coordinator South Africa

Noticed that the CSVs do not contain the (limited) keywords or the changes required for the new anarch set. ie. Reckless Agitation: Requires an independent vampire with capacity above 4. vs Requires an independent or anarch vampire with capacity above 4. Any idea when these will be updated? Amaranth Deck Building Tool : VTES NZ : VTES ANZ Facebook

> Ke. wrote: > Noticed that the CSVs do not contain the (limited) keywords or the changes required for the new anarch set. ie. Reckless Agitation: > > Requires an independent vampire with capacity above 4. > > vs > > Requires an independent or anarch vampire with capacity above 4. > > Any idea when these will be updated? > I make those updates to my own use and send it to Vincent for review. If I do it right, maybe he can use it as base to new CSV. Fernando Cesar - Sydnelson LackeyCCG and OCTGN VtES Mantainer Prince of Rio de Janeiro Powerbase Rio de Janeiro

All CSVs have been updated correctly. Please note that the UTF8 version now has an additional column containing the unique card Id. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> Ankha wrote: > All CSVs have been updated correctly. Please note that the UTF8 version now has an additional column containing the unique card Id. > 2 errors in the most recent files. Hesha Ruhadze appears twice, once with the old text and once with the new "+1 hunt" text. Matthew Romans also appears twice with different text versions, but the newer version replaces the Salubri Matthew from HttB in the list. -- National Coordinator South Africa

> drnlmza wrote: > > > Ankha wrote: > > All CSVs have been updated correctly. Please note that the UTF8 version now has an additional column containing the unique card Id. > > > 2 errors in the most recent files. > > Hesha Ruhadze appears twice, once with the old text and once with the new "+1 hunt" text. > > Matthew Romans also appears twice with different text versions, but the newer version replaces the Salubri Matthew from HttB in the list. > Thanks, I am going to fix it. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Fixed, the files have been updated. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Hey Ankha, Are you open to the idea of hosting the CSV / Text files in some sort of Git repo. It's already publicly viewable here, and it would allow us to submit Pull requests as a community to fix typos, etc. This would hopefully mean less work for you

> ShanDow wrote: > Hey Ankha, > > Are you open to the idea of hosting the CSV / Text files in some sort of Git repo. > > It's already publicly viewable here, and it would allow us to submit Pull requests as a community to fix typos, etc. > > This would hopefully mean less work for you > I am currently maintaining two sets of CSV: the revised ones (will all the future cardtexts), and the legacy one that contains only the printed cardtexts and official errata. Both are already available on the download page. Which ones would you like to contribute to? Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> Ankha wrote: > > > ShanDow wrote: > > Hey Ankha, > > > > Are you open to the idea of hosting the CSV / Text files in some sort of Git repo. > > > > It's already publicly viewable here, and it would allow us to submit Pull requests as a community to fix typos, etc. > > > > This would hopefully mean less work for you > > > I am currently maintaining two sets of CSV: the revised ones (will all the future cardtexts), and the legacy one that contains only the printed cardtexts and official errata. > Both are already available on the download page. Which ones would you like to contribute to? > Why not both? The CSV format used can be easily worked with using git, which in turn allows easy cooperation and gives a version control to boot. Another thing entirely, in the latest version of both Revised and 'normal' CSV's, there's all manner of {} symbols in the card text, for example for "Absolution of the Diabolist": "{}{O}ut-of-turn. Requires a ready justicar or Inner Circle member. {Only usable when a vampire {would} be burned by a blood hunt.} {Usable} during your minion phase.{} Cancel that blood hunt {instead}." Is this on purpose? If so, what are the {}'s for? Are they changes, highlighted keywords, something else entirely?

I think the current official one ( legacy ) would be the best benefit, as that combined with the card ruling archive is what people are going to refer back to in case of a dispute. In theory you can use the same mechanism we would use to propose changes to maintain your revised text too, in the end it's just a merge between a stable master, and a development branch.

Ankha, am I correct assuming you are not familiar with git and/or GitHub? In that case, would it be useful if ShanDow and/or I make a proof of concept repository, showing how it would work and what the benefits are?

> mtsr wrote: > "{}{O}ut-of-turn. Requires a ready justicar or Inner Circle member. {Only usable when a vampire {would} be burned by a blood hunt.} {Usable} during your minion phase.{} Cancel that blood hunt {instead}." > > Is this on purpose? If so, what are the {}'s for? Are they changes, highlighted keywords, something else entirely? > The {}'s indicate changed text. Compare that to the current text from secretlibrary, which has not yet updated to the latest CSV file. > Absolution wrote: > Master: out-of-turn. > Requires a ready justicar or Inner Circle member. This card is playable during your minion phase. Only usable when a vampire is about to be burned by a blood hunt. Cancel that blood hunt. > -- National Coordinator South Africa

> mtsr wrote: > > > Ankha wrote: > > > > > ShanDow wrote: > > > Hey Ankha, > > > > > > Are you open to the idea of hosting the CSV / Text files in some sort of Git repo. > > > > > > It's already publicly viewable here, and it would allow us to submit Pull requests as a community to fix typos, etc. > > > > > > This would hopefully mean less work for you > > > > > I am currently maintaining two sets of CSV: the revised ones (will all the future cardtexts), and the legacy one that contains only the printed cardtexts and official errata. > > Both are already available on the download page. Which ones would you like to contribute to? > > > Why not both? The CSV format used can be easily worked with using git, which in turn allows easy cooperation and gives a version control to boot. > Because you would need to update both each time there would be a change. It is extra work, with a risk of error. > mtsr wrote: > Another thing entirely, in the latest version of both Revised and 'normal' CSV's, there's all manner of {} symbols in the card text, for example for "Absolution of the Diabolist": > > "{}{O}ut-of-turn. Requires a ready justicar or Inner Circle member. {Only usable when a vampire {would} be burned by a blood hunt.} {Usable} during your minion phase.{} > Cancel that blood hunt {instead}." > > Is this on purpose? If so, what are the {}'s for? Are they changes, highlighted keywords, something else entirely? > They indicate changes, such as errata. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> Ankha wrote: > > > mtsr wrote: > > Why not both? The CSV format used can be easily worked with using git, which in turn allows easy cooperation and gives a version control to boot. > > > Because you would need to update both each time there would be a change. It is extra work, with a risk of error. > > Ankha wrote: > They indicate changes, such as errata. > Thanks, that helps. So despite being called version control software, something like git is really about managing changes to text-based files. This would allow for easy overviews of lists of changes between versions and managing multiple related but different versions such as Legacy and Revised. With your permission, I'd really like to take the current files (and maybe the previous versions if I can find them) and show how I think version control could help. And then, of course, it's up to you to decide whether it's something you want to use.

> mtsr wrote: > > > Ankha wrote: > > > > > mtsr wrote: > > > Why not both? The CSV format used can be easily worked with using git, which in turn allows easy cooperation and gives a version control to boot. > > > > > Because you would need to update both each time there would be a change. It is extra work, with a risk of error. > > > > Ankha wrote: > > They indicate changes, such as errata. > > > Thanks, that helps. > > So despite being called version control software, something like git is really about managing changes to text-based files. This would allow for easy overviews of lists of changes between versions and managing multiple related but different versions such as Legacy and Revised. > > With your permission, I'd really like to take the current files (and maybe the previous versions if I can find them) and show how I think version control could help. And then, of course, it's up to you to decide whether it's something you want to use. > They are already versioned (under SVN, it's an old repo), but it's a private repository. Tracking errata within the text file helps everyone (players and me alike) to know what has changed without using blame tools. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> Ankha wrote: > They are already versioned (under SVN, it's an old repo), but it's a private repository. Tracking errata within the text file helps everyone (players and me alike) to know what has changed without using blame tools. > would setting up a wiki for the cards be possible? That way revisions could easily be tracked. A wiki would also make it stupid easy to make rulings more accessible.

> self wrote: > > > Ankha wrote: > > They are already versioned (under SVN, it's an old repo), but it's a private repository. Tracking errata within the text file helps everyone (players and me alike) to know what has changed without using blame tools. > > > would setting up a wiki for the cards be possible? That way revisions could easily be tracked. > > A wiki would also make it stupid easy to make rulings more accessible. > It looks like a lot of work. Personally, I use vtes.pl that has all the printed versions scanned, except Anthology. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> self wrote: > > > Ankha wrote: > > They are already versioned (under SVN, it's an old repo), but it's a private repository. Tracking errata within the text file helps everyone (players and me alike) to know what has changed without using blame tools. > > > would setting up a wiki for the cards be possible? That way revisions could easily be tracked. > > A wiki would also make it stupid easy to make rulings more accessible. > That would be awesome! The card WIKI link can be attached to the CSV for easier integration with 3rd party apps and all related ruled rules, TWDs with the card and things like that can be linked to it. Archbishop of Itaocara Prince ID #510

Basically, Vtes needs a "Gatherer " A card database with errata, pictures of each printing, and an idiot proof user interface. But with 0 financial resources available to dump on it, it's not really a "now" thing....