Reprint some cards

IMHO is good idea to reprint some needfull cards. For me there are two candidades: 1) Villein - One of the most used cards. And it is really big problem to gain this card now 2) Ashur Tablets - Interesting mechanism. Big problem to gain this card.

I would be against it. Both cards are quite useful, and should be reserved for a possible future publisher, who might find reprinting the entire KoT set to be the best option for a first release. Both cards are available on Ebay anyway.

I disagree. It is true that these cards are useful. I do not thing that reprinting them will decrease possibility to have future publisher. I thing that it is needfull to reprint it. I know some players who do not have these cards and that is why play worser decks (for example with minion taps). Especially villein is key card in a lot of decks and there are not enought copies between players comunity. One third of players in my community have no villeins and it is unpleasant to play against him. Players which own villeins are advantaged.

> fojtik wrote: > I thing that it is needfull to reprint it. I know some players who do not have these cards and that is why play worser decks (for example with minion taps). > Then they should do what the rest of us did and spend some money on obtaining the cards that they want, fr.ex. from eBay. As a side note: If your friends would have bought more VTES when it was in-print, it wouldn't have gone out-of-print, and they wouldn't be complaining about asking for reprints (which it sounds like they don't want to spend money on anyway). Tell them I said that. > fojtik wrote: > Especially villein is key card in a lot of decks and there are not enought copies between players comunity. One third of players in my community have no villeins and it is unpleasant to play against him. Players which own villeins are advantaged. > Again: tell your friends to spend some money to obtain the cards that they need. If they aren't willing to do that on eBay, why should any company expect that these cheap friends of yours would buy any new product? Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

So VTES is only play for rich people. You can not play it if you do not spend enought money into game. I think that this stupidity WW tried to beat by starter politics. There was put all needfull cards in starters. By buying starters each player can cheaply gain needful cards. But in HTTB expansion then underestimated need of starters. So starters were sold out extremely guickly. I think that villein should be reprinted and distributed enought to be accessible as blood doll, minion tap or vessel.

> fojtik wrote: > So VTES is only play for rich people. You can not play it if you do not spend enought money into game. > I think that this stupidity WW tried to beat by starter politics. There was put all needfull cards in starters. By buying starters each player can cheaply gain needful cards. > But in HTTB expansion then underestimated need of starters. So starters were sold out extremely guickly. > I think that villein should be reprinted and distributed enought to be accessible as blood doll, minion tap or vessel. > Villein is available for $8 on Ebay, you hardly need to be rich to get at least one set of them.

> fojtik wrote: > I think that villein should be reprinted and distributed enought to be accessible as blood doll, minion tap or vessel. > And who should reprint it? Yes, it'd be easier if each card (Villein, but also Matthias, Eyes of Argus, Spiritual Intervention, Carlton, Sensory Deprivation, ...) got a reprint. We're currently lacking the entity that would do this.

> fojtik wrote: > So VTES is only play for rich people. You can not play it if you do not spend enought money into game. > You said that, I did not. I said that you need to spend some money in order to play the game, and some more money to play the game at a high level, and by spending little or no money and then complaining because you don't have the cards that you need, that is illogical. > fojtik wrote: > I think that villein should be reprinted and distributed enough to be accessible as blood doll, minion tap or vessel. > Certainly, if you have the funds to put up to purchase the license from both CCP and WOTC, the entire community would be more than happy to have you be the man in charge. Until that happens, trade cards from your friends or buy $6 and $8 villein off eBay. Villein went for $5-6 for a year after HTTB starters went out-of-print. When your friends realized that HTTB starters we no longer available, why didn't they obtain some Villein at that point, I wonder? Again: tell your friends to spend some money to obtain the cards that they need. They are available and reasonably plentiful. Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

Lots of players in my group have no need to play in official tournament. They play this game only locally and for fun. They do not have villeins and they probably never pay 40$ for set of 5 villeins they need. BTW so high cost of key cards reduce the chance of starting play this game by new players.

If they aren't playing in tournaments, then you can always use proxies, like say use minion taps to proxy villein, I hear that some playgroups do that.

The only feasible way right now to "reprint" cards is to provide image downloads that people could print out, cut up, and put into card sleeves with a regular card as a backing. It'd be perfectly feasible for VEKN to provide some such images. There'd be no copyright issues either if the image were just black text on white background and the only text were "This is not a real Villein card, but it can be used as if it were in any sanctioned VEKN event". The best arguments against doing this from above are : I paid money for my cards so you should have to also We want to preserve the value of the old cards for a future publisher For the first of those, if that is the attitude of the organized play organization, it doesn't bode well for the future of the game. VtES is in a good position to pick up players (who might be disillusioned with MtG money decks) due to cheaply available cards. Games like Netrunner, Star Wars, Star Trek etc are staying alive because their player orgs have the guts to put out downloadable card sets and keep the game alive. Meanwhile VEKN seems to be dominated by worries about being sued and people trying to protect the value of key cards. On the second point above, unless you know of specific, serious negotiations under way (which I doubt), it's wishful thinking and pretty unrealistic that anything will happen anytime soon. Also, in the happy event that a new publisher did pick up the game, VEKN could always announce "hey, you know those proxies that we approved for competitive play? Since the cards are being reprinted for real, the proxies are no longer legal" and it's problem solved. VtES store : www.prunesquallor.net Card supplies & games : stores.ebay.com/Prunesquallors-Secret-Cache

> prunesquallor wrote: > Meanwhile VEKN seems to be dominated by worries about being sued and people trying to protect the value of key cards. > Where have VEKN leadership claimed that they are worried about being sued, please? Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

This is a good idea. Star Trek even has community-made cards now, like additional STENT cards, and it works fine. I have heard a some resistance to this idea from local players, always in the vein of "I paid, so should you". Well that's real petty. Do you know what cards I do have in abundance, so that I don't have to try anything new? Dominate! Oh isn't that fun, how much pool did you have well now you don't lolz.

> Demnogonis wrote: > I have heard a some resistance to this idea from local players, always in the vein of "I paid, so should you". Well that's real petty. Do you know what cards I do have in abundance, so that I don't have to try anything new? Dominate! Oh isn't that fun, how much pool did you have well now you don't lolz. > Buy some new cards then. There are more than 7 full sets still available, as well as add-on sets for 3 more. store.white-wolf.com/VTES-C15.aspx Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

You know as well as I do that even while VTES was still continued, a lot of cards haven't been in print in a long time, such as Baltimore Purge or Entombment. You also know that having a larger card pool for everyone improves the quality of the game.

> KevinM wrote: > > > prunesquallor wrote: > > Meanwhile VEKN seems to be dominated by worries about being sued and people trying to protect the value of key cards. > > > Where have VEKN leadership claimed that they are worried about being sued, please? > I'd love to be proved wrong on this. I'd prefer to instead see the VEKN leadership make some clear statement that they do intend to support downloadable expansions and/or reprints and consider them valid for competitive play. VtES store : www.prunesquallor.net Card supplies & games : stores.ebay.com/Prunesquallors-Secret-Cache