Anthology set previews: April 3

Official release: May 11, 2017 Legal for Tournament Play: May 11, 2017 Welcome to the first week of previews of the Anthology set! We'll take the opportunity each week to present you new cards as well as a few changes. The set contains 48 crypt cards (including 10 new cards) and 52 library cards (including 2 new cards). PREVIEWS Eyes of ArgusHamid MansourLaura Goldman RULES UPDATE First of all, in order to revive the game on a sound basis, White Wolf had to change two major features of VTES: 1/ Card backs changes The back of the cards will no longer have the Deckmaster logo. We have already experienced this kind of change, first when the Jyhad logo was changed to V:TES, then when the card backs were printed upside-down in Third Edition. The tournament rule 4.1 Cards Allowed has been changed accordingly (changes in red). If cards with distinct backs are used in the same deck (e.g., Jyhad and Vampire: The Eternal Struggle cards, or upside-down 3rd Edition cards and right-side up cards, or mis-cut cards, or cards without the deckmaster logo) are used, in order to prevent a significant advantage, all cards from the different sets, printings, etc. must be of sufficiently mixed card type, unless they are all sleeved with opaque sleeves (recommended). 2/ Replacement of the tap/untap keywords by lock/unlock The tap/untap keywords could no longer be used and had to be changed. It was a tough and very inconvenient decision, but a necessary one. All the Inner Circle board worked on propositions to replace those keywords, and the final decision was validated by White Wolf. We had more than 20 options, but in the end we decided that their replacement had to meet the following criteria: the words had to be regular verbs with a simple past form (like "tapped") and a continuous form (like "tapping") the words had to be usable transitively (as in "tap this vampire") and intransitively (as in "this vampire taps") the words had to be usable on minions and non-minions cards the root word (replacing tap) should ideally be one-syllable long the opposite word (replacing untap) should ideally be constructed with the un- prefix. Many interesting proposal finally didn't make the cut (exhaust/refresh, twist/untwist, set/unset, bind/unbind), and a consensus was found with lock/unlock. The rulebook as well as all card references has been updated this way. New wording Wake Many reaction cards allow vampires to "play reaction cards and attempt to block even though locked until the current action is concluded." These cards have a special place in the game as they are the only cards that can be played in the "as a card is played" window without that explicit wording (in order to play reaction cards that can be played legitimately in that window). These cards have always been referred to as "wake" cards by players. By adding the "wake" keyword, the effect will be easier to reference and to learn for new players (in order to mark the difference with a real "unlock" effect for instance). As a reminder, the description of the "wake" effect is left between parenthesis on cards such as Eyes of Argus. Singular "they" The card texts have often been cluttered with "he or she", "his or her", or "him or her" forms. As well as being inelegant, this reference to gender has nothing to do with game mechanics and doesn't fit the gender-fluid background of the World of Darkness. Therefore it was decided to enforce the usage of the singular "they". Extra care will be taken during migration of the card texts to avoid any confusion between a plural "they" (that is almost never used in the current card texts) and a singular "they". Singular "they" is very common in informal English; if you're not familiar with it, you can read some articles: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they The reprint of Eyes of Argus uses this wording: "Only usable by a locked vampire. This vampire wakes (they can play reaction cards and attempt to block even though locked until the current action is concluded)." "They" is referring to "This vampire" without any ambiguity. CHECKLIST (without reprints) Crypt Clan Aisha az-Zahra Toreador Alabástrom Gargoyle André the Manipulator Gangrel Anne-Marie Bourgeois, Inconnu Recruiter Toreador Apolonia Czarnecki Malkavian Hamid Mansour Ventrue Joseph Fischer Gangrel antitribu Laura Goldman Brujah Styles Margs Gangrel antitribu Weirich Waldburg Ventrue Library Type Line, The Master Vivienne Géroux Ally A full checklist is available here: www.worldofdarkness.berlin/vtes V:EKN Website Coordinator

Are these committed to print? Because the term 'locked' is absoutely terrible, and seems more akin to a burglar or netrunner game than vampires. Why not 'retired' and 'risen' / 'arise'? Retire this vampire. Retired vampires cannot... Arise this vampire after this action. Arised vampires can... Wouldn't the patent limit on 'tapping' be done anyways? Or is this a trademark issue that wile still in use by mtg, will be copyrighted? Another issue, 'locked' is already used by the 40k ccg...as in 'locked and loaded'. For that matter, why not just use turn and unturn? We were just talking about the deckmaster logo the other night, and wondered why we couldnt just leave the banner and put a bunch of black text squiggles so that at a distance it wouldnt matter, but still could to the player using the deck I suppose. Honestly WW will have to print and sell official VTES backed sleeves. Another card back change...ugh. Wake I can certainly live with.

As a fairly new player, lock /unlock isn't sounding too bad. Retire /arise wouldn't sound right for non vampire cards like locations

> talonz wrote: > Why not 'retired' and 'risen' / 'arise'? > Cause that sounds terrible. > For that matter, why not just use turn and unturn? > Cause that sounds terrible > Wake I can certainly live with. > Good to know. Prince of Dallas Toreador Grand Ball: Dallas August 13, 2022

> talonz wrote: > Why not 'retired' and 'risen' / 'arise'? > > Retire this vampire. Retired vampires cannot... Arise this vampire after this action. Arised vampires can... > I'm guessing that the Inner Circle know that "arise" isn't a transitive verb, and that "arised" isn't even an actual word. "I arised the vampire" - not cromulent English. "Arise the card" - also not cromulent English. "Could you arise the vampire?" - similarly, not cromulent English.

Tap/untap sounds good just because we are used to it. I'm fine with lock. Just hoping that there are more exciting cards in the set. Overkill is highly underrated. You know, like in computor games and such.

I have a few questions. (1) Are the new cards going to be available as PDF ? (2) The new vampires appear to have no group numbers. Is this so?

> BogusMagus wrote: > > (2) The new vampires appear to have no group numbers. Is this so? > uh. Yes they do. They're both group 5

> Damnans wrote: > "They" is referring to "This vampire" without any ambiguity. > This stupid SJW crap is infesting everything nowadays.... It is SUPER ambiguous as they refers to a group. Everyone will read it and expect it to allow all their vampires to play cards as if unlocked.

I don't know about the SJW thing, but I agree that it's a big mistake. Maxime Socroun, 3200321

> 2wayspeaker wrote: > It is SUPER ambiguous as they refers to a group. > Plural they refers to a group; singular they refers to one person. Along much the same lines, in every day speech, you will almost certainly use the pronoun "you" to refer both to a specific individual, to specific groups, and also to people in general. Somehow, you cope, despite the fact that every time you say "you" it is SUPER SUPER ambiguous WITH SPRINKLES ON TOP as it refers to three different things all at once. Also, look at the antecedent noun (or noun phrase) and it should be kinda obvious, in pretty much all circumstances.

Currently do people think 'it says "he or she" and I have a guy vamp and a girl vamp on the table - therefore i must be able to do this with both!' ? Because if the singular 'they' is going to cause issues, surely there must be issues already? No idea what your SJW issue is... using 'they' is a much nicer way to read the card though. Again - I'm a new player so perhaps I haven't settled into the way things are just yet, but reading sentences with 'he or she' feels unnecessarily cumbersome. The card in the example already says 'This vampire ...' then continues on with 'they can'. The subject has been defined as singular.

> 2wayspeaker wrote: > This stupid SJW crap is infesting everything nowadays.... > > It is SUPER ambiguous as they refers to a group. Everyone [citation needed] will read it and expect it to allow all their vampires to play cards as if unlocked. > for those playing "logical fallacy bingo" at home, please cover "Strawman" and "Appeal to Authority." Seriously, this is only as big of a change as you make it. I took a quick tour through the csv and the only truly awkward spot that I've found so far is on "Anachronism." which is easily fixed by changing it to "Put this card on a vampire with capacity above 6. This vampire cannot have or use any ranged weapons except the Ivory Bow. Burn any ranged weapons this minion has."

Yeah, the gender-fluid thing is unnecessarily political correct, and it sounds wierd. I had a quick look at Ambrosio Luis Moncada's text, replaced 'he' with 'they', and it's sounds silly. If we really need to address this, I'd much rather the gender text on the cards refer to crypt cards by the gender the characters themselves identify as. It's a much better common ground. However! ... am I the only one who's reading a more than I probably should into this part?: "in order to revive the game on a sound basis, White Wolf had to..." I mean, to me, this seems like the part we should be discussing, no? Why is it so important now to remove the WotC bits?

> Cat_in_Exile wrote: > Yeah, the gender-fluid thing is unnecessarily political correct, and it sounds wierd. I had a quick look at Ambrosio Luis Moncada's text, replaced 'he' with 'they', and it's sounds silly. If we really need to address this, I'd much rather the gender text on the cards refer to crypt cards by the gender the characters themselves identify as. It's a much better common ground. > > However! > > ... am I the only one who's reading a more than I probably should into this part?: > > "in order to revive the game on a sound basis, White Wolf had to..." > > I mean, to me, this seems like the part we should be discussing, no? Why is it so important now to remove the WotC bits? > Isn't it just the 'He or She' text that is being replaced with 'they'?

1) It looks the legal cloud is clearing, and that is a freaking good news. 2) The inclusion of Wake in the rulebook is also a good step towards making the game more accessible. One should have a rough idea of how the game will play after reading the rules, and there is no way to play this game without knowing what a wake is. Next on the list: bounce. 3) Finally, because I cannot decently post a message without nitpicking: 7 years without real cards, and the best you can come up with is a 4-cap with 3 inferior in-clan disciplines?

> narpassword wrote: > > > Cat_in_Exile wrote: > > Yeah, the gender-fluid thing is unnecessarily political correct, and it sounds wierd. I had a quick look at Ambrosio Luis Moncada's text, replaced 'he' with 'they', and it's sounds silly. If we really need to address this, I'd much rather the gender text on the cards refer to crypt cards by the gender the characters themselves identify as. It's a much better common ground. > > > > However! > > > > ... am I the only one who's reading a more than I probably should into this part?: > > > > "in order to revive the game on a sound basis, White Wolf had to..." > > > > I mean, to me, this seems like the part we should be discussing, no? Why is it so important now to remove the WotC bits? > > > Isn't it just the 'He or She' text that is being replaced with 'they'? > Here would be the updated text: "Sabbat cardinal: Monçada cannot block. Other Methuselahs' actions targeting Monçada cost an additional pool. If Monçada is ready during your discard phase, they can untap another ready Lasombra." I dunno, man (or girl, or they ). Sounds weird to me... Anyways, I'm not here to debate this, just pointing it out, and making a suggestion. I'd also like to add that I actually prefer Lock/Unlock to Tap/Untap, and I like Wake as well, so those are good changes, IMO.

> Cat_in_Exile wrote: > Yeah, the gender-fluid thing is unnecessarily political correct, and it sounds wierd. I had a quick look at Ambrosio Luis Moncada's text, replaced 'he' with 'they', and it's sounds silly. If we really need to address this, I'd much rather the gender text on the cards refer to crypt cards by the gender the characters themselves identify as. It's a much better common ground. > The preview says that it's only about replacing the "he or she" text found on cards like Ancient Influence or Anachronism, so why are you assuming that Ambrosio's text will change? > Cat_in_Exile wrote: > ... am I the only one who's reading a more than I probably should into this part?: > > "in order to revive the game on a sound basis, White Wolf had to..." > > I mean, to me, this seems like the part we should be discussing, no? Why is it so important now to remove the WotC bits? > WotC have been a major stubmling block in getting VtES back into print - see for example the discussions about onebookshelf's attempt at www.vekn.net/forum/news-and-announcements/74017-the-current-state-of-v-tes-november-2015 . Simplifying things by removing them from the picture looks like a good move to me. -- National Coordinator South Africa

> narpassword wrote: > > > Cat_in_Exile wrote: > > Yeah, the gender-fluid thing is unnecessarily political correct, and it sounds wierd. > > > Isn't it just the 'He or She' text that is being replaced with 'they'? > Correct. "He or she" is also politically correct, and was a real nuisance of some card texts. > Cat_in_Exile wrote: > > > narpassword wrote: > > Isn't it just the 'He or She' text that is being replaced with 'they'? > > > Here would be the updated text: > > "Sabbat cardinal: Monçada cannot block. Other Methuselahs' actions targeting Monçada cost an additional pool. If Monçada is ready during your discard phase, they can untap another ready Lasombra." > You just replaced "he" by "they", not "he or she". Monçada is still a "he". > > drnlmza wrote: > > > Cat_in_Exile wrote: > > ... am I the only one who's reading a more than I probably should into this part?: > > > > "in order to revive the game on a sound basis, White Wolf had to..." > > > > I mean, to me, this seems like the part we should be discussing, no? Why is it so important now to remove the WotC bits? > > > WotC have been a major stubmling block in getting VtES back into print - see for example the discussions about onebookshelf's attempt at www.vekn.net/forum/news-and-announcements/74017-the-current-state-of-v-tes-november-2015 . Simplifying things by removing them from the picture looks like a good move to me. > Yes, White Wolf knows best how to protect their IP without infringing Wizards'. The vampires will be a little more exciting next week, stay tuned. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> drnlmza wrote: > > > Cat_in_Exile wrote: > > Yeah, the gender-fluid thing is unnecessarily political correct, and it sounds wierd. I had a quick look at Ambrosio Luis Moncada's text, replaced 'he' with 'they', and it's sounds silly. If we really need to address this, I'd much rather the gender text on the cards refer to crypt cards by the gender the characters themselves identify as. It's a much better common ground. > > > The preview says that it's only about replacing the "he or she" text found on cards like Ancient Influence or Anachronism, so why are you assuming that Ambrosio's text will change? > > > Cat_in_Exile wrote: > > ... am I the only one who's reading a more than I probably should into this part?: > > > > "in order to revive the game on a sound basis, White Wolf had to..." > > > > I mean, to me, this seems like the part we should be discussing, no? Why is it so important now to remove the WotC bits? > > > WotC have been a major stubmling block in getting VtES back into print - see for example the discussions about onebookshelf's attempt at www.vekn.net/forum/news-and-announcements/74017-the-current-state-of-v-tes-november-2015 . Simplifying things by removing them from the picture looks like a good move to me. > Ahhh, I see. Nothing to see here at all, then. Thanks for clarifying, I get it now, thanks. As for the second part, yeah, I know. It makes me think that a return to print in some form, beyond the Anthology set, is a real possibility now.

> * Throughout this rulebook, references to players (Methuselahs) will be feminine ("she" and "her"), while references to minions (characters represented in the game) will be masculine ("he" and "his"). These pronouns are not intended to identify gender; this is merely a useful method to avoid both cumbersome "he or she" constructions and ambiguity. > I still don't understand why every card text in the game wasnt based around this (almost very first) paragraph in the rulebook. All vamps male, all methuselahs female. Card references to single methuselah => She her. Card references to single vampire => he him. Card references a single something else => it. Card references a plural group => They them

> 2wayspeaker wrote: > > > * Throughout this rulebook, references to players (Methuselahs) will be feminine ("she" and "her"), while references to minions (characters represented in the game) will be masculine ("he" and "his"). These pronouns are not intended to identify gender; this is merely a useful method to avoid both cumbersome "he or she" constructions and ambiguity. > > > I still don't understand why every card text in the game wasnt based around this (almost very first) paragraph in the rulebook. All vamps male, all methuselahs female. Card references to single methuselah => She her. Card references to single vampire => he him. Card references a single something else => it. Card references a plural group => They them > Because that would cause a lot of confusion on crypt cards of female vampires. If a new player sees a female vampire being referred to as "he," while it may be right per the rulebook in your scenario, it would be extremely "wrong" in the new player's head due to their preconceived notion of how pronouns in English work. This is a situation that is very different than using the singular they to refer to male and female vampires, where this convention is so common in English nowadays that almost all dictionaries define "they" as referring to groups of individuals comprising both sexes. A new player will see singular they and not bat an eyelash.

God stuff; welcome changes. Not really seeing what the usual whining is about. Finnish Politics!

> self wrote: > > > BogusMagus wrote: > > > > (2) The new vampires appear to have no group numbers. Is this so? > > > uh. Yes they do. They're both group 5 > I must be blind. Thanks.

> Ankha wrote: > You just replaced "he" by "they", not "he or she". Monçada is still a "he". > Based on the drawing, Monçada is a "it".

> Lönkka wrote: > God stuff; welcome changes. > > Not really seeing what the usual whining is about. > Yeah Lurking in the underground of Bologna, Italy

I don't have a problem with the "they", I'm only concern that it will be confusing for non native english speaking people. Even me, I had not idea that "they" could be singular. And I'm glad that we get rid of tap/untap if that mean get rid of the WW copyright issues. Lock/unlock seems good to me. Maxime Socroun, 3200321

> Non-existant user wrote: > > 2) The inclusion of Wake in the rulebook is also a good step towards making the game more accessible. One should have a rough idea of how the game will play after reading the rules, and there is no way to play this game without knowing what a wake is. Next on the list: bounce. > Also next on the list: rush; environmental damage; having, using, and bearing equipment; targeting, impulse/opportunity/priority; special ability; inflicting damage; treating damage (as in treating aggravated damage as normal); side-effect damage; action fizzles; unsuccessful bleed vs unsuccessful action; moving blood; inate strike; "current" bleed/damage; in play/out of play, play effect as if a member of a clan/sect...and on and on and on. I agree that addition of wake is great, but hopefully the rulebook will eventually be revised to include every concept in the game that is currently undefined.

> but hopefully the rulebook will eventually be revised to include every concept in the game that is currently undefined. > Hopefully, more people are willing to volunteer their free to help make changes and revisions that said players need help defining. Prince of Dallas Toreador Grand Ball: Dallas August 13, 2022

> ruiza97 wrote: > > > but hopefully the rulebook will eventually be revised to include every concept in the game that is currently undefined. > > > Hopefully, more people are willing to volunteer their free to help make changes and revisions that said players need help defining. > Um...what? Who are "said players"? And why do they need help defining changes and revisions to the rulebook?

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> TwoRazorReign wrote: > > > ruiza97 wrote: > > > > > but hopefully the rulebook will eventually be revised to include every concept in the game that is currently undefined. > > > > > Hopefully, more people are willing to volunteer their free to help make changes and revisions that said players need help defining. > > > Um...what? Who are "said players"? And why do they need help defining changes and revisions to the rulebook? > I don't know, but enough "volunteers" and you think this would slip by: Revised text Eyes of the dead: action Unlock this acting vampire. Unusable, but less than the real one, right?

> Damnans wrote: > 2/ Replacement of the tap/untap keywords by lock/unlock > ... > The rulebook as well as all card references has been updated this way. > While checking something, I noticed that in the text file, "Minion Tap" has changed to "Minion Lock", while it's unchanged in the csv file. I assume this was a search and replace error, and the card name hasn't officially changed? -- National Coordinator South Africa

> drnlmza wrote: > > > Damnans wrote: > > 2/ Replacement of the tap/untap keywords by lock/unlock > > ... > > The rulebook as well as all card references has been updated this way. > > > While checking something, I noticed that in the text file, "Minion Tap" has changed to "Minion Lock", while it's unchanged in the csv file. > > I assume this was a search and replace error, and the card name hasn't officially changed? > It's an error that has been fixed. Thanks for reporting! Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Might wanna make sure we don't have Lockestry of Blood and Incriminating Videolocke while you're at it.

No, only words were changed, not word parts. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Awwwwwwwwww!

I'd spend a beer for the first who plays a "Minion Lock" at the EC. Baron of Frankfurt

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