Enkidu, the Noah & Fast Hands / Shackles of Enkidu

I have a few questions concerning Enkidu, the Noah. Specifically the > > He cannot have or use equipment. > part of his special. Can he play Fast Hands? If yes, what would happen? Another question: What would happen if Enkidu was in combat with a minion having the Shackles of Enkidu. Could that minion put the Shackles on Enkidu? Again, if yes, what would happen? card texts > Name: Enkidu, The Noah > Cardtype: Vampire > Clan: Gangrel antitribu > Group: 4 > Capacity: 11 > Discipline: for ANI CEL OBF POT PRO > Sabbat. Red List: Enkidu can enter combat with any minion as a action. If Enkidu successfully performs an action to employ a retainer, he untaps at the end of the turn. He cannot have or use equipment. +2 strength. > > Name: Fast Hands > Cardtype: Combat > Cost: 1 blood > Discipline: Celerity > [cel] Strike: steal weapon. > [CEL] Strike: steal weapon with first strike. > > Name: Shackles of Enkidu > Cardtype: Equipment > Clan: Gangrel > Cost: 2 pool > Unique equipment. > Before range is chosen in a round of combat, you may put the Shackles on any minion opposing the vampire with this card; you still controls this card, however. Combat ends. The Shackled minion does not untap as normal during his or her untap phases; he or she burns 2 blood during each of your untap phases. Any minion may burn this card as a action. > Prince of Bonn, Germany

Since Enkidu can't have equipment, he can't steal equipment. For the same reason, you can't put equipment on him (such as Shackles of Enkidu). Generally speaking, you can't do illegal things or things that would result in an illegal situation voluntarily. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> Yomyael wrote: > Another question: What would happen if Enkidu was in combat with a minion having the Shackles of Enkidu. > Both players would be ousted in short order by the player to their right.

> BenPeal wrote: > > > Yomyael wrote: > > Another question: What would happen if Enkidu was in combat with a minion having the Shackles of Enkidu. > > > Both players would be ousted in short order by the player to their right. > You never used an Inner Circle wall and bleed deck with Alastor on other's Camarillas to put Shackles on them??? If your guys are infernal, Shackles only burn blood on them, right?

Perhaps this means that Wooden stake and Rowan ring cannot sent Enkidu to torpor? Because after Enkidu leave torpor him be controled this equipment.

> beslin wrote: > Perhaps this means that Wooden stake and Rowan ring cannot sent Enkidu to torpor? > Because after Enkidu leave torpor him be controled this equipment. > You can strike with a Rowan ring, and send Enkidu to torpor, but then the ring is burned as it cannot be moved to Enkidu. groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/rowan$20ring$20beast/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/fbVv76tOiN0/ICZ-5dSMc4AJ > LSJ wrote: > >>And, if Tariq rushes Beast, plays some funky stuff, then slaps with > >>the Rowan Ring > >> > >>a) Strike declared illegal > >>b) Strike OK, but ring is burned, and has no effect > >>c) Strike OK, ring is burned, but it's text triggers first (sending > >>Beast to torpor) > > > > C. Card text "send the opposing vampire in torpor" applies. But when "this > > card is transfered to the opposing vampire", it burns. > Correct. > The difference between the Shackles and the Rowan Ring is that the former is an effect to move equipment (illegal on Enkidu), the later is a strike to send to torpor (legal on Enkidu) with a side-effect that happens only if the strike is successful. > LSJ wrote: > The real difference is that Kiss of Ra has an explicit restriction > prohibiting its use, whereas Wstake has an additional effect that > occurs only when certain conditions are met. When those conditions > are met, the additional effect is not optional. And, since it > is not allowable, the card is burned. > (replace Wooden Stake with Rowan Ring) Name: Rowan Ring Cardtype: Equipment Cost: 1 pool Unique melee weapon. Strike: Send the opposing vampire to torpor. This card is transferred to that vampire, and he or she doesn't untap as normal during the untap phase as long as he or she remains in torpor. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

BTW, I found a message on the board where all these questions were answered: groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/Za8AS17xXPM/Ttki0DplaeYJ Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

well it is now clear,rowan and stake can use against enkidu and beast to sent both to torpor,and after strike resolve both be sent to torpor and both free to untap because rowan and stake be burned after sent them to torpor. 1 interesting question:what hapen if oposing vampire after strike resolve play amaranth? does rowan and stake be burned or oposing vampire take this weapon?

> beslin wrote: > well it is now clear,rowan and stake can use against enkidu and beast to sent both to torpor,and after strike resolve both be sent to torpor and both free to untap because rowan and stake be burned after sent them to torpor. > No, they are not free to untap - the 'do not untap' effect is independent of the 'transfer equipment' effect. > 1 interesting question:what hapen if oposing vampire after strike resolve play amaranth? > does rowan and stake be burned or oposing vampire take this weapon? > The card effects resolve atomically, so when amaranth is played the weapon has already been transfered and burned.

I would ask anyone who knows for sure that the answer to this question: can Enkidu untap normal after him be sent to torpor with Stake and Rowan or not? i thonk because equipment be burned him free to untap but SKIMFLUX think diferent

> beslin wrote: > I would ask anyone who knows for sure that the answer to this question: can Enkidu untap normal after him be sent to torpor with Stake and Rowan or not? i thonk because equipment be burned him free to untap but SKIMFLUX think diferent > It's all in the link I provided. > LSJ wrote: > > What about Paralyze cards like Rowan Ring and Stake? I would assume that, > > in this case, the paralyze effect is independent of *having* the item, and > > lasts until the vampire is rescued from torpor even if the stake or ring > > is burned as soon as Beast receives it? > Yes. > Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director