According the rules ”In many cases, a minion card will have a Discipline symbol, a clan symbol and/or a blood cost; in these cases, the card can only be played by a vampire who meets the requirements.”
The symbol to the left on e.g. Strix looks like a discipline, and since there only can be discipline, clan or cost in the left column, can can a vampire with Infernal pact play Strix on superior?
There is not a bold text on top of the card saying that "Striga" is not a disciplin. It only write so at the inferior level.
Nothing on Strix at Surperior says that Striga isent a Disciplin
Nothing in the rules say it isent a disciplin (since the rule do not says what disciplins there are)
I am not talking about the inferior version, becouse thats a different discussion.
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Strix
+1 intercept, even if intercept is not yet needed. If this vampire successfully blocks this action, he or she untaps at the end of the action. is not a Discipline.
Only usable when a bleed against you is successful. The bleed burns no pool. Instead, this vampire taps and enters combat with the acting minion.
infernal pact
Unique master.
Put this card on a Tremere antitribu you control and choose a Discipline. The vampire with this card can play cards that require that Discipline as though he or she has the superior version of that Discipline
(heh, even on this site it clains that Striga is a disciplin when using the striga symbol ;o)
You're at odd with logic, aren't you?
> Jesper wrote:
> According the rules ”In many cases, a minion card will have a Discipline symbol, a clan symbol and/or a blood cost; in these cases, the card can only be played by a vampire who meets the requirements.”
>
Yes, in many cases. Not always.
> Jesper wrote:
> The symbol to the left on e.g. Strix looks like a discipline,
>
Like Canada Dry. It looks like a discipline (a bad design choice maybe), but it's not (cardtext).
> Jesper wrote:
> and since there only can be discipline, clan or cost in the left column
>
Where the hell did you read that?
Since the premise is wrong, the rest is moot.
The topic also has been discussed here:
www.vekn.net/forum/6-rules-questions/31773-strigamaleficia#31773
There's no need to recreate a topic.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Ankha wrote:
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> > Jesper wrote:
> > The symbol to the left on e.g. Strix looks like a discipline,
> >
> Like Canada Dry. It looks like a discipline (a bad design choice maybe), but it's not (cardtext).
>
Maleficia and Striga are disciplines, as per the rules:
vekn.net/card-lists/143-heirs-to-the-blood
> Maleficia and Striga: Two new Disciplines that are only available to infernal vampires. The same way that Caitiff is not a clan, these are not true Disciplines, however (so just like "Caitiff" cannot be chosen for Consanguineous Boon, Ian Forestal couldn't use his ability to meet a Striga requirement, for example, nor could Maleficia be chosen as one of the Great Beast's Disciplines).
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> Striga
> Master
>
> Master: trifle.
> Put this card on an infernal vampire. This vampire may play cards that require Striga [str] (not a Discipline). With two of these cards, he or she may play cards that require superior Striga [STR] . Burn this card if this vampire is not infernal.
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> The wrote:
> 1.4. The Golden Rule for Cards
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> Whenever the cards contradict the rules, the cards take precedence.
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It is not a discipline because the card overrides the rules, because the rules say the card overrides the rules.
Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418
> BenPeal wrote:
> Only when that card is in play.
>
i really wish they'd inverted the colors and just made a new class of thingy called non-discipline skills. That way Flight could be folded into that and be given a superior, and we wouldn't have the confusion that we do now.
> self wrote:
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> > BenPeal wrote:
> > Only when that card is in playhoel
> >
> i really wish they'd inverted the colors and just made a new class of thingy called non-discipline skills. That way Flight could be folded into that and be given a superior, and we wouldn't have the confusion that we do now.
>
Animalism already has inverted colors.
Flight is not in need of a superior unless we make gargoyle suck alot less, regardless of how it worked for vtm.
Striga and mal shouldve been handled differently than they were. Im feeling orun/aye need reworked more than those though.
> Ankha wrote:
> You're at odd with logic, aren't you?
>
Dont know. Right now Im trying to find answeres on questions that some players have been talked about for years and couldet get to a conclusion on
> Ankha wrote:
>
> > Jesper wrote:
> > According the rules ”In many cases, a minion card will have a Discipline symbol, a clan symbol and/or a blood cost; in these cases, the card can only be played by a vampire who meets the requirements.”
> >
> Yes, in many cases. Not always.
>
Where dose it says that there can be anything else?
> Ankha wrote:
>
> > Jesper wrote:
> > The symbol to the left on e.g. Strix looks like a discipline,
> >
> Like Canada Dry. It looks like a discipline (a bad design choice maybe), but it's not (cardtext).
>
Where in the card text on SUP strix dose it say so?
> Ankha wrote:
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> > Jesper wrote:
> > and since there only can be discipline, clan or cost in the left column
> >
> Where the hell did you read that?
>
In the rule quated above.
> Ankha wrote:
> The topic also has been discussed here:
>
> www.vekn.net/forum/6-rules-questions/31773-strigamaleficia#31773
>
> There's no need to recreate a topic.
>
I know of the thread. But reading it I cant find the answere anywhere why a vampire in the above eksample can not use Strix on SUP. There is nothing that say that the symbol on the edge is not a disciplin.
Unless you belive that every text on infirior of a card also apply to the SUP of a card
/Jesper
> BenPeal wrote:
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> Maleficia and Striga are disciplines, as per the rules:
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Could you please point me in the direction of the rule in the rule book where it states that information on "random" pages regarding libary cards are to be considered as rules?
Iv looked and looked and cant find it anywhere.
I really dont see why there is a big issue in, at least, make it an appendix to the rules. Well at least we got the Imbued in there
> Jesper wrote:
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> > Ankha wrote:
> >
> > > Jesper wrote:
> > > According the rules ”In many cases, a minion card will have a Discipline symbol, a clan symbol and/or a blood cost; in these cases, the card can only be played by a vampire who meets the requirements.”
> > >
> > Yes, in many cases. Not always.
> >
> Where dose it says that there can be anything else?
>
Nights of Reckoning called to let you know that the symbol on the left can be a virtue or a creed. Bloodlines added Flight (which is very definitely not a discipline).
I'm done feeding Jesper the troll, who's spending more energy trying to find errors or contradictions using flawed logic rather than thinking two minutes.
Answer has been given, I close this topic.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director