Re: Kaymakli Fragment

So this card does not make the vampire Sabbat or Infernal, but a vampire that is Sabbat can use the first action or a vampire that is infernal can use the second action? Is this correct?

This Sabbat vampire may allow you to draw 5 cards from your library as an action (discard afterward). This infernal minion may move 3 blood from the bank to a vampire in your uncontrolled region as a +1 stealth action. Any minion may steal this equipment as a strike. True: if you're sabbat you can draw, if you're infernal you can "superior govern" down. It's a Midget card Lurking in the underground of Bologna, Italy

> Trigger wrote: > So this card does not make the vampire Sabbat or Infernal, but a vampire that is Sabbat can use the first action or a vampire that is infernal can use the second action? Is this correct? > Yes. And if you're Sabbat *and* infernal, you can use the Sabbat option, untap (with Freak Drive, or anything else), and use the second option, on the same turn.

Thanks Pascal for the hint.... Dylan..... Camarilla Prince of Milan

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> Pascal wrote: > > > Trigger wrote: > > So this card does not make the vampire Sabbat or Infernal, but a vampire that is Sabbat can use the first action or a vampire that is infernal can use the second action? Is this correct? > > > Yes. And if you're Sabbat *and* infernal, you can use the Sabbat option, untap (with Freak Drive, or anything else), and use the second option, on the same turn. > Follow up question : Does Annazir can do both of his actions in the same turn ? Name: Annazir [HttB:U/A2] Cardtype: Vampire Clan: Baali Group: 5 Capacity: 9 Discipline: DAI OBF POT PRE Independent. 2 votes (titled): Annazir can burn a location or steal an equipment as a action. Infernal. +1 bleed.

> Timo wrote: > > > Pascal wrote: > > > > > Trigger wrote: > > > So this card does not make the vampire Sabbat or Infernal, but a vampire that is Sabbat can use the first action or a vampire that is infernal can use the second action? Is this correct? > > > > > Yes. And if you're Sabbat *and* infernal, you can use the Sabbat option, untap (with Freak Drive, or anything else), and use the second option, on the same turn. > > > Follow up question : > > Does Annazir can do both of his actions in the same turn ? > Yes (if you manage to unlock him), the same ruling from PIB above applies which wasn’t a new ruling but came from [LSJ 20100909] > LSJ wrote: > If text provides two "X as an action", then those aren't cross- > restricting. > > "Minions may X1 as an action. Minions may X2 as an action". > A minion could only do X1 once each turn, likewise X2 once each turn, > but could do both X1 and X2 on the same turn. > Furthermore, it is now there in the rulebook that the restriction is per action per turn for effects provided by cards in play. > Rulebook: > A minion cannot perform each action via the same card in play (including from the minion’s own card text) more than once each turn, even if they unlock. >

> Timo wrote: > > > Pascal wrote: > > > > > Trigger wrote: > > > So this card does not make the vampire Sabbat or Infernal, but a vampire that is Sabbat can use the first action or a vampire that is infernal can use the second action? Is this correct? > > > > > Yes. And if you're Sabbat *and* infernal, you can use the Sabbat option, untap (with Freak Drive, or anything else), and use the second option, on the same turn. > > > Follow up question : > > Does Annazir can do both of his actions in the same turn ? > > Name: Annazir > [HttB:U/A2] > Cardtype: Vampire > Clan: Baali > Group: 5 > Capacity: 9 > Discipline: DAI OBF POT PRE > Independent. 2 votes (titled): Annazir can burn a location or steal an equipment as a action. Infernal. +1 bleed. > No, because it's the same action. "X can Y as a action": Y can only be done once because of the NRA (even if Y is "A or B", such as "burn a location or steal an equipment"). In order to be able to do both, it should be written as "Annazir can burn a location as a action. He can steal an equipment as a action." Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> Ankha wrote: > > No, because it's the same action. > > "X can Y as a action": Y can only be done once because of the NRA (even if Y is "A or B", such as "burn a location or steal an equipment"). > It is literally providing the option between two different actions. The use of the English word "or" is to make one sentence of two options. > Cambridge_Dictionary wrote: > Or is a conjunction that connects two or more possibilities or alternatives. > > Ankha wrote: > In order to be able to do both, it should be written as "Annazir can burn a location as a action. He can steal an equipment as a action." > Looks like you are defining (if it wasn´t already) a template that has a different meaning than the English literal one (similar to "during x, do y") and as such, it should be in the rules and not just exist as a ruling. Is there any precedent for this ruling or is this the one becoming it?

> inm8 wrote: > > Looks like you are defining (if it wasn´t already) a template that has a different meaning than the English literal one (similar to "during x, do y") and as such, it should be in the rules and not just exist as a ruling. > Not uncommon, Im afraid. Smoking craters tell no tales. —Tex talks Battletech