Which are the official sects?

Just wondering what officially are the vampire sects? (Camarilla, Sabbat, Laibon?) This is in regards with the Vlad Tepes card.

also Independent and Anarch

> alek wrote: > also Independent and Anarch > Anarch is not a sect, just a trait. The four sects are: Camarilla, Sabbat, Independent and Laibon. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Thats what i thought at first but i read something different regarding anarchs www.vekn.net/rulebook/10-vampire-sects So base on the rulebook officially only Camarilla, Sabbat, Laibon, and Independent are sects? Would like to get an official decision by james or Pascal regarding that.

Thank you Ankha. But this still allows Vlad Tepes to use baron cards even though he cant use anarch cards right? unless of course he turns anarch?

> Ankha wrote: > > > alek wrote: > > also Independent and Anarch > > > Anarch is not a sect, just a trait. > > The four sects are: Camarilla, Sabbat, Independent and Laibon. > Prince of Dallas Toreador Grand Ball: Dallas August 13, 2022

> blackday wrote: > Thank you Ankha. > But this still allows Vlad Tepes to use baron cards even though he cant use anarch cards right? unless of course he turns anarch? > Can use Baron cards. Not Anarch. Prince of Dallas Toreador Grand Ball: Dallas August 13, 2022

> Ankha wrote: > The four sects are: Camarilla, Sabbat, Independent and Laibon. > Yes, and the fact that "Independent" is a sect is still funny. "My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."

> Ashur wrote: > Yes, and the fact that "Independent" is a sect is still funny. > I want to be different, like all the other different people. B-) "It was a perfect plan - until it had contact with reality" --- Hardy Range Playgroup Tradition Compliance Manager

> blackday wrote: > So base on the rulebook officially only Camarilla, Sabbat, Laibon, and Independent are sects? Would like to get an official decision by james or Pascal regarding that. > That's correct (based on the rules). As it's vaguely relevant to the whole category of pretending to be a trait you don't have, Independent is the "default" sect for things that don't specify a sect. This can be vaguely important when 'pseudo-vampire' allies play an effect as a vampire - if it has an effect based on the playing minion's sect, the ally is Independent. [LSJ 20060126] > > LSJ wrote: > vampires without a sect designation (like > allies posing as vampires) are independent. > It's always been understood that having "Independent" (or, originally, "non-Camarilla") as a sect is a little odd, thematically speaking - Ravnos aren't in a secret club with Daughters - but it makes things flow more easily if everything has a sect. For the record, though, I don't make official decisions.

> ruiza97 wrote: > > > blackday wrote: > > Thank you Ankha. > > But this still allows Vlad Tepes to use baron cards even though he cant use anarch cards right? unless of course he turns anarch? > > > Can use Baron cards. Not Anarch. > Though while playing the Baron card, he would also be impersonating an Anarch at that point, because impersonating a Baron implicitly requires you to be an Anarch, much like impersonating a Clan Justicar requires you to pretend to be part of that clan and the Camarilla sect. [FZD 20120312] and the referenced [LSJ 20050130]

> Ankha wrote: > > > alek wrote: > > also Independent and Anarch > > > Anarch is not a sect, just a trait. > > The four sects are: Camarilla, Sabbat, Independent and Laibon. > This is correct.