Re: lutz ruling

Hi can I have an official ruling pls? Situation: Lutz calls con agg. Prey: 2 pool, grand prey: 2 pool terms are 2-1-1 (last one for some1 with lots of pool) What happens? Who get ousted, how many points of damage are dealt to who? Is it possible to double oust with the same action like this?

> Non-existant user wrote: > Camarilla Malkavian Inner Circle: While Lutz is ready, your prey burns a pool each time the referendum of a political action passes. +2 bleed. > > Conservative wrote: > Allocate X points among two or more Methuselahs, where X is the number of Methuselahs in the game. Successful referendum means each Methuselah burns 1 pool for each point assigned. > In your example, your prey (player A) and your grandprey (player B) are on 2 pool each, and there are two more players (C and you). You call Conservative Agitation, and assign 2 points on A, 1 on B and 1 on C. What happens when the vote passes successfully, is this: A burns a total of 3 pool and is ousted. B and C each burn 1 pool. If you assign at least 1 point on A, A will always be ousted, due to Lutz' special. If in addition you assign at least 2 points on B, B will also be ousted, but since she is A's prey, A will get the VP for this oust (but not 6 pool). National Coordinator Germany nc [dot] germany [at] magenta [dot] de

The special on Lutz triggers after the resolution of the vote. Your prey (player A) and your grandprey (player B) are on 2 pool each, and there are two more players (C and you). You call Conservative Agitation, and assign 2 points on A, 1 on B and 1 on C. What happens when the vote passes successfully, is this: - A burns a total of 2 pool and is ousted. B and C each burn 1 pool. - Then AFTER the vote resolution the special effect on Lutz triggers, and B is ousted. (So you will get two oust in a row, two VPs and total of 12 pools. Hooray!) groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/ka988PKEpQU groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/rSaiVPMbpvY

Correct answers from dessu and Hakuron.

How can they both be correct when they give contradicting answers?

> Non-existant user wrote: > How can they both be correct when they give contradicting answers? > Sorry, I read Hakuron's message a bit too hastily. First, apply the terms of the referendum. Then, apply Lutz's ability.

Oops, sorry. Thanks for enlightenment. National Coordinator Germany nc [dot] germany [at] magenta [dot] de

Question: If my prey has 2 pool and my grand prey has 3, I call a Kine with Lutz setting 1 in my prey and 3 in my grand prey, whats happens? My grand prey die and my prey gain 6 pool and VP before Lutz special damage? Fernando Cesar - Sydnelson LackeyCCG and OCTGN VtES Mantainer Prince of Rio de Janeiro Powerbase Rio de Janeiro

I believe both your prey and grand prey are going to die, with you and you prey getting VPs, as all this happens during one action.

> Sydnelson wrote: > Question: > > If my prey has 2 pool and my grand prey has 3, I call a Kine with Lutz setting 1 in my prey and 3 in my grand prey, whats happens? > > My grand prey die and my prey gain 6 pool and VP before Lutz special damage? > Yes, Lutz's damage happens after the vote resolves.

> Sydnelson wrote: > Question: > > If my prey has 2 pool and my grand prey has 3, I call a Kine with Lutz setting 1 in my prey and 3 in my grand prey, whats happens? > > My grand prey die and my prey gain 6 pool and VP before Lutz special damage? > I believe first the referendum resolves, dealing 1 to your prey and killing your grandprey. Your prey would gain 6 pool and GW and then Lutz ability would happen. Note: You could divide the points 2-2 and then both prey and grandprey would die in sequence Smoking craters tell no tales. —Tex talks Battletech

> Bloodartist wrote: > > > Sydnelson wrote: > > Question: > > > > If my prey has 2 pool and my grand prey has 3, I call a Kine with Lutz setting 1 in my prey and 3 in my grand prey, whats happens? > > > > My grand prey die and my prey gain 6 pool and VP before Lutz special damage? > > > I believe first the referendum resolves, dealing 1 to your prey and killing your grandprey. Your prey would gain 6 pool and GW and then Lutz ability would happen. > Correct, see Lutz' cardtext. Name: Lutz von Hohenzollern [KoT:PM2/A2] Cardtype: Vampire Clan: Malkavian Group: 4 Capacity: 11 Discipline: pot AUS DEM OBF PRE Camarilla Malkavian Inner Circle: If Lutz is ready, your prey burns 1 pool after the referendum of a political action passes. +2 bleed. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director