backwards bleed malkavian

so i have 2xBH malkavian starters and 1x 3rdE malkavian starter. i also have BSC. what can be done for backwards bleeding? UDHR18/19/27

Haven't you considered bleeding your prey? NC Russia

Why do you want to bleed backwards?

Heh,looks like someone is spamming again. I'll risk feeding the monster under bridge and try to answer something semi intelligent. I have always wanted to build a deck based around superior Scrying of Secrets. Never got a round to do it. Build your normal KS stealth bleed deck, but throw in a bunch of SoS. Bleed forward normally, but each time you draw SoS do inferior KS backward and nip out any bleed card your predator happens to have on top seven cards of their deck. pro: No need for reactions in your deck, it's all about momentum. con: SoS is an auspex card, so you would probably be better off to just add more telepathic misdirections to your deck. Also you wand to bleed hard that's , have some Stealth and also play SoS .That is 5 points of disciplines, and playing with mid caps and larger kinda ruins the idea of fast stealth bleed. Scrying of Secrets Action Modifier [Auspex] Auspex [1 Blood] Only usable when this vampire successfully bleeds a Methuselah. Look at the next 7 cards in that Methuselah's library. As above, and if any of those cards are action cards that can be used to bleed, that Methuselah discards your choice of one of those cards

Most bleed modifiers comes not from actions, but from modifiers or something like week of nightmares, so SoS is not a good defence. The only valuable use of this card I see is to remove governs from your prey's deck. Make him less able to get vp before you or bloat. NC Russia

We had an hour long conversation once about how to win by bleeding backwards; You "oust" your predator. Your grandpredator gets to focus on your grandprey, defensively, but yoir grandprey is in deep shit because hes getting eaten alive by your prey (you know, because you are bleeding backwards). So, your prey gets his prey, ypir grandprey gets his. This is where its tricky. Youre a KS bleed deck in a 3 way, and both other players have gained 6 extra pool and a VP each. You have to sweep or you tie. Or, if you somehow kept your grandprey alive with boons, and can get your grandpredator, thats ideal. Then, you dive forward, and who gives a damn, you either get 2 and the table or one and the table while everyone else gets 1. Why bother? In a 4 player game, if you feel sneaky bleed is better suited to a 3 way, you can make it so easily. Practically, if you are at a final table with kindred spirits as last seed, numerically incapable of winnin withoit taking the table, and first seed is to your right, get them gone, then lunge for 2 vps, and them let the chips fall wjere they may. But, seriously, I bleed my predator all the time........ When we are the last 2 players at the table.

> ReverendRevolver wrote: > We had an hour long conversation once about how to win by bleeding backwards; > > You "oust" your predator. Your grandpredator gets to focus on your grandprey, defensively, but yoir grandprey is in deep shit because hes getting eaten alive by your prey (you know, because you are bleeding backwards). > Why would the grand-predator (now your predator with 6 more pool) would care about his own predator since his own predator is "getting eaten alive"? What will probably happen instead is that you get ousted by your new predator. Even if you manage to backoust him, your prey will probably have ousted his prey until then and in the end, you'll have to win the duel against your prey who didn't have any pressure the whole game. Good luck! Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> Ankha wrote: > > > ReverendRevolver wrote: > > We had an hour long conversation once about how to win by bleeding backwards; > > > > You "oust" your predator. Your grandpredator gets to focus on your grandprey, defensively, but yoir grandprey is in deep shit because hes getting eaten alive by your prey (you know, because you are bleeding backwards). > > > Why would the grand-predator (now your predator with 6 more pool) would care about his own predator since his own predator is "getting eaten alive"? > > What will probably happen instead is that you get ousted by your new predator. Even if you manage to backoust him, your prey will probably have ousted his prey until then and in the end, you'll have to win the duel against your prey who didn't have any pressure the whole game. Good luck! > I dont need luck. I bleed my prey. I do miss "reacharound bleeds" where Id be sitting between Ahrimanes and No Secrets walls and bleed my Girlz grandprey as a poolgain mechanism, but winning nets more vps than slowly losing with style. Kimdred spirits is a great deck for new players because it gains a pool buffer without the bleed of 7 that gets bounced like Malk94 risks in newbie hands. We had a huge influx of new players in Newark Ohio circa 2010, and tried teaching them to bleed crosstable into Imbued. Good times.

Sometimes I am bleeding backwards when I see, that my grandpredator are much more suitable then my current predator, but it's really nothing to do with deck design - just tactics. In the same situation with different decks I'm politisizing or rushing backwards. NC Russia