The Sleeping Mind vs "as though untapped"

which untap cards does the sleeping mind work against? which untap cards does it not work against? UDHR18/19/27

> mirddes wrote: > which untap cards does the sleeping mind work against? > > which untap cards does it not work against? > Cardtext? Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> mirddes wrote: > which untap cards does the sleeping mind work against? > > which untap cards does it not work against? > At superior it prevents minions to untap during action, so reactions like Second Tradition, Black Sunrise or Eluding the Arms of Morpheus can't be played. It also prevents you to untap with Freak Drive or Forced March. Or if the action is blocked or action itself results a combat, superior Majesty or Earth Meld can't be played to untap in combat. Reactions that allow to block or play cards as untapped can be played, as those don't untap the reacting minion. Marko, Prince of Helsinki

The Sleeping Mind Only usable when the action is announced. Choose a tapped vampire. He or she cannot attempt to block this action. Minions cannot untap during this action. Meld with the Land combat ends and untap the opposing minion (even at long range). Strike: combat ends. does negate the untap from ? I'm thinking yes. UDHR18/19/27

> mirddes wrote: > The Sleeping Mind > > Only usable when the action is announced. > Choose a tapped vampire. He or she cannot attempt to block this action. > Minions cannot untap during this action. > > Meld with the Land > > combat ends and untap the opposing minion (even at long range). > Strike: combat ends. > > does negate the untap from ? > > I'm thinking yes. > It doesn't just negate the effect. Superior Sleeping Mind forbids you to play inferior Meld with the Land, because minions cannot untap during the action. So if superior Sleeping Mind is played on action, no card or effect can be played at all that would untap any minion during that action. Marko, Prince of Helsinki

inferior meld with the land seems like it could be slightly useful for cross-table support when the (other)table-threat can be leveraged against.. UDHR18/19/27

(rules questions don't belong in the News & Announcements forum)

> BenPeal wrote: > (rules questions don't belong in the News & Announcements forum) > IKR! was pondering myself how this might have occurred. UDHR18/19/27

> mirddes wrote: > > > BenPeal wrote: > > (rules questions don't belong in the News & Announcements forum) > > > IKR! was pondering myself how this might have occurred. > When one goes to vekn.net/forum and clicks "New Topic" to start a new thread, the default forum is News & Announcements. I'm guessing people sometimes don't notice it or forget to change it. Perhaps there's a way to change the default forum for New Topics to General Discussion or something.

changing the default is a good idea. i am surprised less than an admin/mod can post in news/announcements, thought this is not altogether a bad thing. news can be reported by anyone. i am really loving the ability to correct my spelling from 2 years ago, some forums timeout editing after 5-10min which is quite painful. UDHR18/19/27

my Sleeping mind catd reads.. Supirior.. Minions cannot untap during this action,and tapped minions cannot block this action.

Yes. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> dabbler wrote: > my Sleeping mind catd reads.. > Supirior.. > > Minions cannot untap during this action,and tapped minions cannot block this action. > your card is special? secretlibrary has it listed as > Sleeping Mind, The > Action Modifier > > [Dominate] Dominate > > [1 Blood] > > Only usable when the action is announced. > [dom] Choose a tapped vampire. He or she cannot attempt to block this action. > [DOM] Minions cannot untap during this action. > > Artist(s): Greg Simanson > > Set(s): Sabbat:C, SW:C, Third:PTr > WHY THE NERF????? UDHR18/19/27

Yes. (I don't know what the topic is about, since there's no rule question, so I answer randomly). Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

I don't know what your cards read, all I know is that the only valid cardtext for Sleeping Mind is: Name: The Sleeping Mind [Sabbat:C, SW:C, Third:PTr] Cardtype: Action Modifier Cost: 1 blood Discipline: Dominate Only usable when the action is announced. [dom] Choose a tapped vampire. He or she cannot attempt to block this action. [DOM] Minions cannot untap during this action. Artist: Greg Simanson (found here: vekn.net/images/stories/downloads/cardlist.txt ) If the question is "I bleed with The Sleeping Mind, can they Wake with Evening's Freshness + Deflection?", the answer is yes (none of the cards played in that sequence untaps a vampire).

so does anyone know why mine is texted as it is?

> dabbler wrote: > so does anyone know why mine is texted as it is? > Card text on printed cards was often changed between versions. Sometimes, they were just minor standardizations. Other times, cards had been errata-ed for power and balance concerns, and the next time they were reprinted they got the updated text. Compare, for example, the card image in vtes.pl/card/40227 with the card image in vtes.pl/card/63833 The 'right' card text is always whatever's most recent (either in terms of printed cards, or more recent errata). You don't, for example, get to play Aire of Elation after playing Conditioning, just because you happen to own a Jyhad Conditioning - the Jyhad Dominate bleed modifiers name-checked the three available modifiers, rather than the current text.

Also, if you've only been playing with Jyhad cards, do notice that Majesty "now" costs 1 blood at all levels.