Redistribution and two different Blood Brother players

Redistribution Action +1 stealth action. [san] This acting vampire gains a blood. Then move any amount of blood and equipment among the Blood Brothers in this circle. [SAN] As above, and untap this acting vampire. www.secretlibrary.info/index.php?lib=1596 Just checking that if for some bizarre reason you happen to have two players on the same table playing BB's of the same circle Redistribution works among ALL the BBs in play and not just your own, right? At least the card doesn't specify this... The set-up (2 of the same circle in same table) is never going to happen though. RIGHT? Finnish Politics!

I guess it actually works this way (and it should then become a D action against every controller(s) of the right circle(s) BB. And yes it is difficult to imagine a case where this become relevant but if you consider Angelo (even in a list) with any BB deck using redistribution it "could" happen. And also "if" lilith's blessing errata comes one day and it happens to allow hermanas deck, it "could" become some sort of archetype...

> Lönkka wrote: > Just checking that if for some bizarre reason you happen to have two players on the same table playing BB's of the same circle Redistribution works among ALL the BBs in play and not just your own, right? > Correct. See also Jerry: Name: Jerry [BL:U1] Cardtype: Vampire Clan: Blood Brother Group: 2 Capacity: 5 Discipline: cel for pot SAN Sabbat. Chicago Circle: During your master phase, you may move any amount of blood from the Blood Brothers in the Chicago Circle to any other Blood Brothers in this circle. Sterile. groups.google.com/forum/?hl=fr#!msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/EzhcPry6sQ0/C7KJKE4an64J Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> Lönkka wrote: > Just checking that if for some bizarre reason you happen to have two players on the same table playing BB's of the same circle Redistribution works among ALL the BBs in play and not just your own, right? > Yes. [LSJ 20060208] > LSJ wrote: > > > Redistribution > > > Type: Action > > > Requires: Sanguinus > > > +1 stealth action. > > > [san] This acting vampire gains a blood. Then move any amount of blood > > > and equipment among the Blood Brothers in this circle. > > > [SAN] As above, and untap this acting vampire. > > > > > Can I also take the blood and assault rifle my prey's "Mark" has? card > > text implies yes. > > Yes. > > Lönkka wrote: > The set-up (2 of the same circle in same table) is never going to happen though. RIGHT? > It's considered acceptable at that point to set fire to the other player, as the apocalypse is probably only moments away.

> jamesatzephyr wrote: > It's considered acceptable at that point to set fire to the other player, as the apocalypse is probably only moments away. > Damn, should have been aware of that ruling. Me setting fire to the other BB player might have saved me in that tournament round. Follow-up question: Does superior Slake the Thirst "see" blood moved to a vampire via Redistribution as "blood gained"? In other words, say Blood Brother A (capacity 4 with 1 blood) plays Redistribution. He gains 1 blood from Redistribution, and then the player decides to move 2 more blood to him from some other BB of the same circle (FROM ACROSS THE TABLE, MWAHAHA!). Sorry. Anyway, if A plays Slake the Thirst at superior after that, can he give 3 blood to some other BB (of the same circle)? Slake the Thirst [Action Modifier] Action Modifier [Combat] Combat [Sanguinus] Sanguinus [san] [COMBAT] Only usable when this vampire gains blood. Choose another ready Blood Brother of the same circle. That vampire gains the same amount of blood from the bank. [SAN] [ACTION MODIFIER] As above, but usable as an action modifier.

> PetriWessman wrote: > Does superior Slake the Thirst "see" blood moved to a vampire via Redistribution as "blood gained"? > Yes. It also sees the blood you gain earlier (from the first sentence) as blood gained, and you can play the action modifier then instead if you prefer. [LSJ 20100203] > > LSJ wrote: > > Jerry plays Redistribution and the action succeeds. I decide to move, > > say, 2 blood from Larry to Jerry. Jerry then plays Slake the Thirst > > and chooses Larry. How much blood does Larry get? > > a) 1 blood. > > b) 3 blood. > > c) Either 1 or 2 blood. > > d) Other. > c). You can gain 1 blood if you play it when "This acting vampire > gains a blood". Or you can play it when you "move any amount of blood > and equipment" to gain 2. >

Ok, great, that's what I thought -- I only recently realized I could do that, I hadn't been using the card to its maximum potential.

> PetriWessman wrote: > Ok, great, that's what I thought -- I only recently realized I could do that, I hadn't been using the card to its maximum potential. > You werent using Slake the Redistribution as Giants Blood? And still played BB? Wow, thats ballsy. You can basically (in this freak scenario) do all sorts of crazy fill up things with slake. My 6 cap redistributes and slakes, my cross tables 6 cap was full but is now empty, but I moved 6 from him to 3 of my guys, shuffled a bit, slaked, and refilled him. Or You can just rob someone else and refill 2 or so of your guys. Or just refill one guy. All kinds of crazy I think moving one bead around like 13 times still counts as blood gained as well, but may be wrong.

> ReverendRevolver wrote: > I think moving one bead around like 13 times still counts as blood gained as well, but may be wrong. > It doesn't. Or, rather, it might, but you don't get to do that. [LSJ 20100330] > > LSJ wrote: > > > 1. Can I move 2 blood from Jerry to Larry, then move the 2 blood back > > > to Jerry and play Slake the Thirst for 2? > > No. You get one rearrangement. > So, basically, you look at blood at the start of the rearrangement, then blood at the end of the rearrangement. If you prefer to plan it out and think of it as happening in several steps, just assume that you can only play Slake the Thirst after you're done.

> Lönkka wrote: > > The set-up (2 of the same circle in same table) is never going to happen though. RIGHT? > It happened yesterday evening in Bologna. Thanks for this clarification Lurking in the underground of Bologna, Italy

> jamesatzephyr wrote: > It's considered acceptable at that point to set fire to the other player, as the apocalypse is probably only moments away. > Just pointing out that New Blood has become something of an anarch convert 2.0 for cycling your crypt, and you can choose its circle. Its not out of realm of possibility that someone picks a "real" circle for it. (I personally always pick Helsinki circle) Smoking craters tell no tales. —Tex talks Battletech

> Bloodartist wrote: > > > jamesatzephyr wrote: > > It's considered acceptable at that point to set fire to the other player, as the apocalypse is probably only moments away. > > > Just pointing out that New Blood has become something of an anarch convert 2.0 for cycling your crypt, and you can choose its circle. Its not out of realm of possibility that someone picks a "real" circle for it. (I personally always pick Helsinki circle) > More flames. Bigger flames. Bring kindling.

So how to announce the action? Do you have to declare which minions will be affected?

> Non-existant user wrote: > So how to announce the action? Do you have to declare which minions will be affected? > That would be consistent with the rulebook: > > Rulebook, wrote: > All details of the action are declared when the action is announced, including the target(s), the cost, the effects, etc. > Precedent from Rave suggests that if you lose some of the blood between then and resolution (e.g. paying for an action modifier), you move as much as you can. [LSJ 20011123] > LSJ wrote: > > When you declare an action you ahve to announce all terms. So that means > > when you're doing a Rave with your vamp with 6 blood you will have to tell > > in advance how much blood you're going to move and to who, right? And if I > > Yes. > > > want to move my 6 blood and get blocked and I pay 1 blood to stealth then > > the action will fizzle as I now inly have 5 blood to move? > > No. You move what you can - you choose who gets shorted. > In general, cards that appear to target blood counters actually target the vampire they're on, and move as much blood as possible if not. e.g. if you steal 2 blood from the opposing minion and they pay for their strike costing 1 blood, you steal the 1 remaining blood rather than having your strike fizzle.

I am a bit worried about the practical aspect of things here. That can be a lot of stuff to announce and to remember, and with the Kiev circle having access to Form of Mist, there can be a lot of time between the action declaration and resolution.

> Non-existant user wrote: > I am a bit worried about the practical aspect of things here. > If it's complicated, write it down. Or jot it down on your smartphone. Or use a smartphone to record yourself saying it and play it back. It shouldn't be hard to scribble a handful of numbers onto a scrap of paper. Admittedly, Mexico City might have a few more than that.