Why yes, this is a weapons-grade Jozxyqk question, and yes, I am a bad person.
I have Lisandro Giovanni in play. I use his special to count him as a Samedi, and play Houngan onto him, which I believe is possible because he's a Samedi for the duration of playing this card.
The following turn, I am under the impression he cannot gain 1 Blood, because he's no longer a Samedi, but back to being a Giovanni, but may he tap for 'an additional blood' on top of the zero he receives for being a Samedi.
Rationale: The clause 'and he may' is not phrased 'And this Samedi may' like the other two effects of the card.
Houngan -- Type: Master -- Clan: Samedi -- Cost: 1 pool
Unique master.
Put this card on a ready Samedi you control. During your untap phase, this Samedi gains 1 blood from the bank, and he or she may tap to gain an additional blood. Any other Samedi may move this card to himself or herself as a +1 stealth action.
Here we go again....
Dave Knowles (Advanced)
Sabbat Bishop of Manchester
> Shockwave wrote:
> Why yes, this is a weapons-grade Jozxyqk question, and yes, I am a bad person.
>
> I have Lisandro Giovanni in play. I use his special to count him as a Samedi, and play Houngan onto him, which I believe is possible because he's a Samedi for the duration of playing this card.
>
> The following turn, I am under the impression he cannot gain 1 Blood, because he's no longer a Samedi, but back to being a Giovanni, but may he tap for 'an additional blood' on top of the zero he receives for being a Samedi.
>
> Rationale: The clause 'and he may' is not phrased 'And this Samedi may' like the other two effects of the card.
>
> Houngan -- Type: Master -- Clan: Samedi -- Cost: 1 pool
> Unique master.
> Put this card on a ready Samedi you control. During your untap phase, this Samedi gains 1 blood from the bank, and he or she may tap to gain an additional blood. Any other Samedi may move this card to himself or herself as a +1 stealth action.
>
That's grammar.
"he" refers to "this Samedi", not to "this vampire" (not written on the card).
Therefore, Lisandro indeed cannot gain blood at all with Houngan (unless he's Samedi)
I will use this thread since is related to my question.
Can a methuselah use Coroner`s Contact to search for Lisandro in crypt?
I guess no but I need check it.
Coroner`s Contact, Master, 1 pool
Master. Search your crypt to find a Samedi. Show it to all players and place it in your uncontrolled region with 1 blood from the bank.
Fernando Cesar - Sydnelson
LackeyCCG and OCTGN VtES Mantainer
Prince of Rio de Janeiro
Powerbase Rio de Janeiro
> Sydnelson wrote:
> I will use this thread since is related to my question.
>
> Can a methuselah use Coroner`s Contact to search for Lisandro in crypt?
>
> I guess no but I need check it.
>
> Coroner`s Contact, Master, 1 pool
> Master. Search your crypt to find a Samedi. Show it to all players and place it in your uncontrolled region with 1 blood from the bank.
>
First, Coroner's Contract doesn't require Samedi so it won't see Lisandro as Samedi at any point. Second, Lisandro needs to be in play to have his special to work. Uncontrolled vampires can't use their special text, so uncontrolled Lisandro is just 9 cap Giovanni.
Marko, Prince of Helsinki
Sadly, vtes did multi-clan vampires no option. Which is good and bad at the same time.
Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
Correct answer from a-e.
Name: Lisandro Giovanni
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Giovanni
Group: 3
Capacity: 9
Discipline: DOM FOR NEC POT THN
Independent: You and Lisandro can play cards requiring a Ventrue antitribu or Samedi as if he were a member of that clan. +1 stealth.