If I lose the edge and Sennadurek is in play, do I have to give my cards to player controlling Sennadurek or can I keep them in my own hand and just show them to that player?
If I have to give them to the player controlling Sennadurek, how long can he/she keep them? As long as he/she needs to read the names of cards, as long as he/she needs to read all text on the cards, as long as he/she likes, something else? Just want to know how much time can be played with this effect as it apparently stops the game until it is done. (Acting player can't do another action until Sennadurek's controller have finished her special)
> Pascal wrote:
> -Sennadurek's ability is indeed part of the action. You don't get to see the replacement card for that DI on the Freak Drive after the bleed.
> -A can't have finished his/her turn with C having B's cards in hands.
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Name: Sennadurek
[LoB:U]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Nagaraja
Group: 4
Capacity: 6
Discipline: dom AUS NEC
Sabbat. Black Hand: Whenever a Methuselah loses the Edge when it is not your turn, Sennadurek untaps, and you may look at that Methuselah's hand. Scarce.
Artist: Andrew Trabbold
Marko, Prince of Helsinki
> a-e wrote:
> If I lose the edge and Sennadurek is in play, do I have to give my cards to player controlling Sennadurek or can I keep them in my own hand and just show them to that player?
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The more convenient way. The player must be able to see exactly the cards in your hand (and be able to read their cardtext).
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
If you'd asked me as a judge at a tournament, I'd say that the play effectively stops while you hand over your cards and allow the other player to read them (timer does not, just play). They can keep them for as long as it takes for them to read what they need to read (i.e. if they know the card from the name, great, if they need to read the text, they can read it). As soon as the cards are handed back, play commences and they get to know nothing more about the hand from that point onwards.
Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418
> a-e wrote:
> If I lose the edge and Sennadurek is in play, do I have to give my cards to player controlling Sennadurek or can I keep them in my own hand and just show them to that player?
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That player must be able to look at the cards and read their text. The most convenient way is to hand the cards over.
> ae wrote:
> If I have to give them to the player controlling Sennadurek, how long can he/she keep them? As long as he/she needs to read the names of cards, as long as he/she needs to read all text on the cards, as long as he/she likes, something else? Just want to know how much time can be played with this effect as it apparently stops the game until it is done. (Acting player can't do another action until Sennadurek's controller have finished her special)
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It takes the time it needs to take. It could be 4 seconds like 40 seconds, depending on your hand, the knowledge the player has of the game, etc.
It takes an amount of time equal to the amount of time required by that player to look at the cards in your hand. That player gets to read the name of the cards (and the cardtext, if they're not used to it).
> Pascal wrote:
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> > a-e wrote:
> > If I lose the edge and Sennadurek is in play, do I have to give my cards to player controlling Sennadurek or can I keep them in my own hand and just show them to that player?
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> That player must be able to look at the cards and read their text. The most convenient way is to hand the cards over.
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So it's just most convenient to give cards but I can't be forced to hand them over if I don't want to?
> Pascal wrote:
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> > ae wrote:
> > If I have to give them to the player controlling Sennadurek, how long can he/she keep them? As long as he/she needs to read the names of cards, as long as he/she needs to read all text on the cards, as long as he/she likes, something else? Just want to know how much time can be played with this effect as it apparently stops the game until it is done. (Acting player can't do another action until Sennadurek's controller have finished her special)
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> It takes the time it needs to take. It could be 4 seconds like 40 seconds, depending on your hand, the knowledge the player has of the game, etc.
> It takes an amount of time equal to the amount of time required by that player to look at the cards in your hand. That player gets to read the name of the cards (and the cardtext, if they're not used to it).
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So I can take my time with the cards and read them one by one if I feel like it and force acting player to stop playing for that time?
btw. Is Freak Drive and similar cards played after the edge moves or before?
Marko, Prince of Helsinki
> a-e wrote:
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> > Pascal wrote:
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> > > a-e wrote:
> > > If I lose the edge and Sennadurek is in play, do I have to give my cards to player controlling Sennadurek or can I keep them in my own hand and just show them to that player?
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> > That player must be able to look at the cards and read their text. The most convenient way is to hand the cards over.
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> So it's just most convenient to give cards but I can't be forced to hand them over if I don't want to?
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That would be unsportsmanslike conduct and can be penalized by the judge.
> ae wrote:
> So I can take my time with the cards and read them one by one if I feel like it and force acting player to stop playing for that time?
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Yes, as long as it doesn't become stalling (to the judge's discretion).
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Ankha wrote:
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> > > > a-e wrote:
> > > > If I lose the edge and Sennadurek is in play, do I have to give my cards to player controlling Sennadurek or can I keep them in my own hand and just show them to that player?
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> > > That player must be able to look at the cards and read their text. The most convenient way is to hand the cards over.
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> > So it's just most convenient to give cards but I can't be forced to hand them over if I don't want to?
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> That would be unsportsmanslike conduct and can be penalized by the judge.
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How about if I control Sennadurek and I want to look at the cards the way that other player is still holding them for me? Or maybe if I would like to stand up and go behind that player to look at his hand from his perspective to the game?
Marko, Prince of Helsinki