I have a question: if I am attacking a Vampire who has OBT with a Muddled Vampire Hunter, and he use Oubliette the Muddled Vampire Hunter dies, even if the Muddled Hunter uses Glancing Blow, correct? Because the superior effect of Oubliette, which is: [obt] Strike: combat ends.
[OBT] As above, and the opposing minion burns 1 blood or life after combat (even at long range).
Means that the damage from the Strike is Zero, and then there is an after combat burn of 1 life.
Because Glancing Blow states: Do not replace until your next untap phase.
Prevent 1 damage from the opposing minion's strike. Of which the Strike is Strike: Combat Ends.
Please let me know thanks
I think this is how this works. I googled a little and didn't find anything.
Laters...
First of all, Oubliette doesn't inflict damage, it burns blood. So even if it happened during combat, it couldn't be prevented.
Secundly, you can't play combat cards after combat has ended.
So if we consider Catatonic Fear that does damage after combat (same timing as Oubliette's "burn blood"), you can't play Glancing Blow to prevent it since Glancing Blow is a combat card that must be played during combat.
Name: Catatonic Fear
Cardtype: Combat
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Presence
Strike: combat ends.
As above, and inflict 1 damage to the opposing minion once combat ends if the range is close.
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> Ankha wrote:
> First of all, Oubliette doesn't inflict damage, it burns blood. So even if it happened during combat, it couldn't be prevented.
>
> Secundly, you can't play combat cards after combat has ended.
>
To skip ahead to a reasonably common question...
How can I prevent damage from Catatonic Fear after combat has ended? Why doesn't it just say "unpreventable" if I can't prevent it?
You can, though it's hard. Burn a Leather Jacket, or use Surge counters. Possibly one or two other options, but those are the ones that I remember.
I thought if I played glancing blow and then my opponent played Oubliette, both cards would have been played at that point.
And as far as I know Strike: Dodge can't avoid a Strike: Combat Ends (timing).
But as far as I am concerned my question is answered.
Glancing blow cannot stop Oubliette. And it also can't stop Catatonic Fear, using the CF's current errata text, but if you used the old card text it could.
Thanks
> rezwits wrote:
> I thought if I played glancing blow and then my opponent played Oubliette, both cards would have been played at that point.
>
Even if Oubliette did damage (which it doesn't), you can't have played Glancing Blow first, then your opponent plays Oubliette. Glancing Blow immediately prevents damage, the same way Skin of Rock does. It's not like Apparition, setting up a later possible damage prevention effect. You have to have already taken the damage and be in the damage prevention step of damage resolution - which definitely hasn't happened prior to the opponent even choosing their strike.
> rezwits wrote:
> And as far as I know Strike: Dodge can't avoid a Strike: Combat Ends (timing).
>
Incorrect. Strike: Dodge doesn't resolve, it just prevents the offensive parts of the opponent's strike, whatever speed that resolves at. If you prefer to think of Dodge as resolving, it's at least simultaneous with S:CE. Note that this was changed ten years ago: www.thelasombra.com/rules/RTR120204.txt
Dodge protects the dodger against all strikes, even aggressive S:CE effects
(like Catatonic Fear).
> rezwits wrote:
> Glancing blow cannot stop Oubliette. And it also can't stop Catatonic Fear, using the CF's current errata text, but if you used the old card text it could.
>
Err, only sort of, kind of. CF's current card text has been the most recent printing (not errata) for 14 years now.
Everything done in addition to a S:CE effect (except untaps) happens after combat ends, which was handled in www.thelasombra.com/rules/RTR512.txt (RTR from 2002):
But the issue regarding Catatonic Fear (and some similar effects) was determined as far as back as the RTR in 1997, which was actually a ruling on how to handle all combat-ends+damage effects (e.g. Mariel) rather than specific errata.
[LSJ 19970701] , following up on the actual RTR (which didn't quite spell out the effect using very small words.
Dodge protects the dodger from the effects of the opposing minion's strike,
even if that strike is done at First Strike or even if it is a Combat Ends
strike (Combat Ends will still end combat, but any additional effects the
strike would have on the dodger, like Catatonic Fear's damage, are dodged).
Never knew... it's seems after playing from 1994-1995, then again in 2007 then in 2010, and now trying to get back even fiercer, these rules have been wilted down and micro managed so hard now, it's going to take even more work on a card per card basis, getting caught up with everything.
I try to read the google groups (rec.games.jyhad old newsgroup) when ever google search will pull up a result, but man so many out there...
Seams like every card has a ruling by now, all I can say is it's amazing and kinda sad. It's all good I suppose it's just makes it so much more work to just play, hah, when are card games now days not work...
I try to play the game by just reading the cards, but I just keep reading...
Thanks again. I am glad I have only had like 5-10 questions all these years tho hehe. (posted that is!) Tons googled!
> rezwits wrote:
> I try to play the game by just reading the cards, but I just keep reading...
>
Be careful to read the latest cardtext. And the latest (online) rulebook. 99% of the answers are in them.
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