I would suggest that somebody from vekn should make an "official" statement/announcement for the average players out there regarding the plans for a new set. Every NC should translate that one announcement to his national language and post it the national forum.
NC for Hungary
hunfragment.blogspot.com
What for? There's no such plan. When there is one, I guess that then there will an announcement.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Ankha wrote:
> What for? There's no such plan. When there is one, I guess that then there will an announcement.
>
See www.vekn.net/index.php/forum/10-news-and-announcements/6452-re-vekn-call-for-artists#6457
I think Mephistopheles means this : www.vekn.net/index.php/forum/10-news-and-announcements/6452-vekn-call-for-artists#6457
If, indeed there are plans afoot for a new edition, i would LOVE to know (as would all of the vtes players, i believe).
Unfortunately, my drawing talents are non-existant, so i cannot offer help in this department.
Let me quote this:
"The Vampire: Elder Kindred Network is looking for volunteer artists (i.e, who will be working for free) for the new VTES set.
If you are interested, please send me an email with some samples of your artwork, or a link to your online portfolio.
When the time comes, I will let the chosen artists know which illustrations they should do and when they should be submitted."
Half of the Hungarian players is wondering what's going on and the other half will do so soon. This sounds very much like there is a set planned. So is there a plan? Is work being done? Or is it the "oh we should have artists in the reserve when the stars are in the perfect position" kind of thing?
NC for Hungary
hunfragment.blogspot.com
> Mephistopheles wrote:
> [...]
> This sounds very much like there is a set planned. So is there a plan? Is work being done? Or is it the "oh we should have artists in the reserve when the stars are in the perfect position" kind of thing?
>
Work is not being done yet, so we would like to have some artists ready for when work is started.
V:EKN Website Coordinator
> Damnans wrote:
>
> > Mephistopheles wrote:
> > [...]
> > This sounds very much like there is a set planned. So is there a plan? Is work being done? Or is it the "oh we should have artists in the reserve when the stars are in the perfect position" kind of thing?
> >
> Work is not being done yet, so we would like to have some artists ready for when work is started.
>
But, it seems that entire vtes population wants to know the answer to THIS question :
Are there plans afoot to START work on the new edition? B)
> BaaliJusticar wrote:
> Perhaps you should rephrase that question to:
> "What would be needed to publish a new set and what can the community do to help?"
>
That works, too... B)
The words "New Set" makes me happy like a little kid with a big chocolate icecream on a warm summer day
> Mephistopheles wrote:
> Half of the Hungarian players is wondering what's going on and the other half will do so soon. This sounds very much like there is a set planned. So is there a plan? Is work being done? Or is it the "oh we should have artists in the reserve when the stars are in the perfect position" kind of thing?
>
I agree so very much.
It seems that we have organization that is effective in withholding information and not divulging it!
Aren't we a player's organization?
By players for players?
Finnish Politics!
> Lönkka wrote:
>
> > Mephistopheles wrote:
> > Half of the Hungarian players is wondering what's going on and the other half will do so soon. This sounds very much like there is a set planned. So is there a plan? Is work being done? Or is it the "oh we should have artists in the reserve when the stars are in the perfect position" kind of thing?
> >
> I agree so very much.
>
No set has ben planned yet. We just wanted to know how many artists would be interested in doing free art for an eventual new set.
V:EKN Website Coordinator
> Lönkka wrote:
>
> > Mephistopheles wrote:
> > Half of the Hungarian players is wondering what's going on and the other half will do so soon. This sounds very much like there is a set planned. So is there a plan? Is work being done? Or is it the "oh we should have artists in the reserve when the stars are in the perfect position" kind of thing?
> >
> I agree so very much.
>
> It seems that we have organization that is effective in withholding information and not divulging it!
>
> Aren't we a player's organization?
> By players for players?
>
Nothing is happening, nobody knows anything, Gines is just curious about artists.
NC Russia
> Damnans wrote:
> And how am I supposed to know how many artists would do free art for an eventual VTES set, if I do not ask it publicly?
>
Oh, I don't know... ask it privately, like White Wolf did for 10+ years?
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
"Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
"Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier
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> KevinM wrote:
>
> > Damnans wrote:
> > And how am I supposed to know how many artists would do free art for an eventual VTES set, if I do not ask it publicly?
> >
> Oh, I don't know... ask it privately, like White Wolf did for 10+ years?
>
I guess you can't do the same things WW can if you are a player-run organisation with volunteers. Asking for artists seems a reasonable thing to do if you need to know if there are any out there and willing to do some art for free.
All the other known artists are not likely to do anything for free.
pckvtes.wordpress.com
The other thing is that WW probably had people sending them art regularly... so they just picked from the names that had landed on their desks.
I wish I could help out with the artwork, but I would LOVE to help with card design and playtesting...
I think it probably would be a good thing to have known playtesters (still bound by secrecy contracts). They could also act as "primogen" for Pascal on big issues/debates as well.
Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418
> Damnans wrote:
> And how am I supposed to know how many artists would do free art for an eventual VTES set, if I do not ask it publicly?
>
It is perfectly fine that you asked publicly. However there are certain key words, like "new set" that can trigger a jökulhlaup in ones brain.
So for the future I suggest a little more extra explaining when dealing with such trigger words...
NC for Hungary
hunfragment.blogspot.com
> Mephistopheles wrote:
>
> > Damnans wrote:
> > And how am I supposed to know how many artists would do free art for an eventual VTES set, if I do not ask it publicly?
> >
> It is perfectly fine that you asked publicly. However there are certain key words, like "new set" that can trigger a jökulhlaup in ones brain.
>
> So for the future I suggest a little more extra explaining when dealing with such trigger words...
>
Patience is a virtue.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
Ankha please gimme more common places. Please!!!
btw: I didn't start this topic because I am Sofa King bored, but because I represent a country. People here should be aware that the majority of non native english v:tes players doesn't speak english or their english knowledge is limited to understanding the cards they play with. For this reason many players don't read this forum. We NC's should also represent the interest of these players and respect their demands.
What they demand from us NC's is a information. At least so I think. So replying "Patience is a virtue" or other similar useless things is really something I could describe only with words that would ban me from this forum.
NC for Hungary
hunfragment.blogspot.com
> Mephistopheles wrote:
> It is perfectly fine that you asked publicly. However there are certain key words, like "new set" that can trigger a jökulhlaup in ones brain.
>
First...
Ha Damnans, I told you this would happen.
Second...
'jökulhlaup' is the best usage of a word word I've never seen before in ages, bravo. I had to immediately Google what it meant .
Here we go again....
Dave Knowles (Advanced)
Sabbat Bishop of Manchester
> Mephistopheles wrote:
> Ankha please gimme more common places. Please!!!
>
> btw: I didn't start this topic because I am Sofa King bored, but because I represent a country. People here should be aware that the majority of non native english v:tes players doesn't speak english or their english knowledge is limited to understanding the cards they play with. For this reason many players don't read this forum. We NC's should also represent the interest of these players and respect their demands.
>
> What they demand from us NC's is a information. At least so I think. So replying "Patience is a virtue" or other similar useless things is really something I could describe only with words that would ban me from this forum.
>
LoL xD
In any aspect we currently cannot get any official expansion nor we can get anyone to do it. So why so much fuss about a virtual expansion? I've done for my storyline about 120 Sabbat vampires group 5/6 to play with and was fun. But to get annoyed by the fact that someone is planning one is a little too much. Relax, it's a virtual/pdf expansion and anyone can make one. If it happens to be sanctioned by the VEKN we will embrace it and play with it. In any case kudos to Damnans and his crew for making efforts towards a new expansion!!! I just love the online tool on the Spanish site dnn.vtes.net and if anyone can make a good expansion it's them
klubtitanatlas.hr/
former NC for Croatia
> Shockwave wrote:
>
> > Mephistopheles wrote:
> > It is perfectly fine that you asked publicly. However there are certain key words, like "new set" that can trigger a jökulhlaup in ones brain.
> >
> First...
> Ha Damnans, I told you this would happen.
>
> Second...
> 'jökulhlaup' is the best usage of a word word I've never seen before in ages, bravo. I had to immediately Google what it meant .
>
It's also a good ol' m:tg card that destroys almost everything in play
NC for Hungary
hunfragment.blogspot.com
Hello,
first post here.
Hey Damnans, I'm not against designing new cards, and I know it has been your specialty for a while
I'm just wondering, instead of trying to publish a whole set, with all the danger of it being badly tested, why not put our efforts in the creation of some periodic Promo cards, which could be distributed during tournaments as prize support, à la Meddling of semsith ?
For exemple : january to march, the promo is a new imbued crypt card. april to june, the promo is a location that favors big vampires... And so on, I guess by now you understand my statement.
Easier to test, cheaper to print, good incentive for people to attend tournaments... I can only see advantages in making promo cards instead of a whole set.
Comments welcome.
Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier
> Panderboy wrote:
> Hey Damnans, I'm not against designing new cards, and I know it has been your specialty for a while
>
Note that I would not be involved in card design, only in art direction.
> Panderboy wrote:
> I'm just wondering, instead of trying to publish a whole set, with all the danger of it being badly tested, why not put our efforts in the creation of some periodic Promo cards, which could be distributed during tournaments as prize support, à la Meddling of semsith ?
>
One of the problems would be production costs and distribution costs, which would be too high for the VEKN.
Also note that the new set would be very small.
V:EKN Website Coordinator
> Juggernaut1981 wrote:
> The other thing is that WW probably had people sending them art regularly... so they just picked from the names that had landed on their desks.
>
No. White Wolf contacted artists privately and individually, offering each a contract, just as they did with LSJ, just as LSJ did with playtesters.
Certainly, the VEKN is new, and I hope they don't make this (minor) error again, but there is absolutely zero advantage for the parent organization to ask publicly for artists, when all artists are available via email/Facebook/website, especially when there "is no set".
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
"Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
"Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier
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My memory disagrees with your experience, Kevin.
At every trade show, WW would have time set aside to art portfolios.
They also had a webpage dedicated to explaining how to submit art for consideration for future work.
i.e. they always had a message out to find new artists
Once they had a project to work on, they contacted those previously vetted artists with assignments.
Gines acquiring a stable of willing artists publicly is a good first step.
Once he has something to assign, that communication will take place privately.
if there's anything I know about the commercial art world, it's that companies usually don't go combing the internet looking for you, asking if they can throw money at you. no matter how fancy your website or facebook page is. I hear a lot of jobs are like that.
also considering that this would be volunteer work for no pay, how else are they supposed to find eager volunteers?
> Adonai wrote:
> My memory disagrees with your experience, Kevin.
> At every trade show, WW would have time set aside to art portfolios.
>
I've never attended one with White Wolf, but "trade shows" aren't accessible to the public. So, they're essentially "private" calls for art. That's what I mean by "private".
> Adonai wrote:
> They also had a webpage dedicated to explaining how to submit art for consideration for future work. i.e. they always had a message out to find new artists. Once they had a project to work on, they contacted those previously vetted artists with assignments.
>
I would have had no problem if the VEKN would have created a webpage exactly as you describe, and asked for artists there. In fact, I think that's an excellent idea, if the VEKN wishes to be perceived as "professional" in this regard.
My issue is that, because of the way that this was done, it's now going to be on the lips of players for months, and it may not even happen. There are a hundred other things that players could be focusing on that they have some control over and would be useful to them, their playgroup, and the national and worldwide community at-large, instead of some pipe-dream. I've seen pipe-dreams ruin people due to false hope and expectations, and I don't want that to happen to anyone in the already fragile player base.
So, maybe it's just me, but I worry.
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
"Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
"Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier
Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/
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> KevinM wrote:
>
> > Adonai wrote:
> > My memory disagrees with your experience, Kevin.
> > At every trade show, WW would have time set aside to art portfolios.
> >
> I've never attended one with White Wolf, but "trade shows" aren't accessible to the public. So, they're essentially "private" calls for art. That's what I mean by "private".
>
By 'trade shows' I mean DragonCon and GenCon.
It might have happened at Origins as well, but I didn't attend that one very often and never needed anything from the White Wolf booth when I was there.
> Adonai wrote:
>
> > KevinM wrote:
> >
> > > Adonai wrote:
> > > My memory disagrees with your experience, Kevin.
> > > At every trade show, WW would have time set aside to art portfolios.
> > >
> > I've never attended one with White Wolf, but "trade shows" aren't accessible to the public. So, they're essentially "private" calls for art. That's what I mean by "private".
> >
> By 'trade shows' I mean DragonCon and GenCon.
>
> It might have happened at Origins as well, but I didn't attend that one very often and never needed anything from the White Wolf booth when I was there.
>
I never saw that or heard of that happening at either of those conventions, so I cannot comment, but if it did happen as you say, then I believe that was still conducted "off to the side", or semi-privately, and not in full view of the public, for the public to discuss while it was going on right there.
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
"Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
"Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier
Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/
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It was scheduled on a placard at the booth, with days and times that portfolios would be accepted. It was usually just a quick discussion to ensure that contact information was with the samples.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get R. Brian Smith more work from his portfolio. He did do the first really nice rules playmat though. (One or more of the predecessors to this: www.vekn.net/images/stories/downloads/vtesplaymat.pdf )