Historical references in V:TES

Fun discussion on the V:TES forum on boardgamegeek.com, listing vampires in V:TES who have a non-fiction/historical reference: boardgamegeek.com/thread/1203897/vtes-vampires-based-non-fictionalhistorical-person Mentioned so far: Aleister Crowley Bela (Lugosi) Camille Devereux Francois Villon Horatio Ballard Ingram Frizer Joaquin Murrieta John Dee Nefertiti Ur Shulgi Mata Hari Count Germaine Themistocles Helena (Helen of Troy) Enkidu, The Noah Esau Erich Weiss (Harry Houdini) Ulugh Beg, The Watcher From Danse Macabre, there's Gerald FitzGerald. De Sade might be the historical Marquis de Sade, but the V:tM source is unclear.

Meneleus, suitor of Helen of Troy??? Enkidu (or as close to it as you can get with ancient Mesopotamian myth) Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418

Sascha Vykos was referred to in the Clan Novels as the Countess of Bathory. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

Eliemelech, book of Ruth I think. Also, Bela is an impersonator, according to art direction. And Petaniqua is Olympia, mother of Alexander the great, embraced the day he came to power. Harrod, the sun pharoah, Jibal was Rasputin, and Im sure I should remember more......

These two as well: Queen Anne Mimir

Jacques (de) Molay Ibn Khaldun and if myths and legends are allowed : The Ankou Louhi Mictlantecuhtli and probably more

De Sade?

nefertiti Giangaleazzo Gerald Fitzgerald Tatiana Romanov

Lucius Aelius Seianus aka Marcus Vitel Marko, Prince of Helsinki

Jack Dawson. "Died" on Titanic

Huitzilopochtli

Beast ! On a serious note, Lutz. There are quite a few of Luises in Hohs tree, so i don't know which one, but most likely one of those. Also, is Bloody Mary that Bloody Mary or typical malkavian demented bitch ? Nergal Baron Samedi Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.

> BenPeal wrote: > De Sade might be the historical Marquis de Sade, but the V:tM source is unclear. > Based on the name, so might Donatien. Adding to the list: The Ankou; Giangaleazzo, The Traitor (Gian Galeazzo Visconti, Duke of Milan); Papa Legba; Sargon (of Akkad); and Sarrasine (from the Balzac novel).

> munnen wrote: > Jack Dawson. "Died" on Titanic > If that counts, I'll note that if the protagonists of "50 Shades" married, she'd be Anastasia Grey.

Papa legba and Baron Samedi arent historical, as they stole the name of the diety/loa in question, and arent the actual thingy. Harrod (king in new testament) Nehemiah? Isnt Vasantanessa the prophet at Delphi?

Joe Boot Hill?

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> Lech wrote: > On a serious note, Lutz. There are quite a few of Luises in Hohs tree, so i don't know which one, but most likely one of those. > What does this mean? Luis? Ho? "My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."

> Ashur wrote: > > > Lech wrote: > > On a serious note, Lutz. There are quite a few of Luises in Hohs tree, so i don't know which one, but most likely one of those. > > > What does this mean? Luis? Ho? > It means that both of those names share common ancestry, Louis and Lutz are deviations of Ludwig, therefore we can guess that it's one of those. Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.

> Lech wrote: > > > Ashur wrote: > > > > > Lech wrote: > > > On a serious note, Lutz. There are quite a few of Luises in Hohs tree, so i don't know which one, but most likely one of those. > > > > > What does this mean? Luis? Ho? > > > It means that both of those names share common ancestry, Louis and Lutz are deviations of Ludwig, therefore we can guess that it's one of those. > Which one of? I still don´t get it, sorry! Are we talking about the sire of Maris Streck? (whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Maris_Streck) "My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."

On a side note, why was Lutz printed az IC and Unmada justicar, when unmada was one of the ones who brought the malks into the camarella and was involved in the big discipline changing ritual? Feels odd.

Grasping at straws... In addition to Tatiana Romanov being perhaps a reference to Grand Duchess Tatiana Romanova, I just noticed that in James Bond's From Russia with Love the main characteress is Tatiana Romanova. The story also has Ali Kerim Bey which is not that far from Ali Kar. Finnish Politics!