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TWD North American Championship Day 2

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BenPeal

North American Championship Day 2 Origins Game Fair, Columbus, OH, USA June 14, 2014 25 players 3R + F Matt Hirsch's tournament winning deck with 3 VP in the finals: vekn.net/event-calendar/event/7718 Deck Name : Under Lambach Author : Matt Hirsch Description : Tzimisce toolbox CRYPT 3x Lambach 1x Stravinsky 2x Velya, The Flayer 1x John Paleologus 1x Meshenka 1x Sascha Vykos 1x Sascha Vykos^ 1x Lolita Houston 1x Elizabeth Westcott --- 12 LIBRARY 4x Villein 4x Blood Doll 1x Giant's Blood 1x Black Forest Base 1x Golconda 1x Library Hunting Ground 1x Wider View 1x Admonitions 1x Storage Annex 1x Information Highway 1x Powerbase Madrid 1x Fear of Mekhet 1x Wash 2x Under Siege 1x Abbot 1x Shepherd's Innocence 1x Fiendish Tongue 1x Public Vilification 5x KRC 1x Anarchist Uprising 1x Ancilla Empowerment 1x Disputed Territory 1x Reins of Power 1x Ancient Influence 4x Changeling 1x Plasmic Form 1x Crocodile's Tongue 1x Conditioning 1x Private Audience 1x Bribes 3x Telepathic Vote Counting 3x Mind of the Wilds 3x WWEF 2x Forced Awakening 2x On the Qui Vive 2x Sense the Savage Way 2x Eyes of Argus 2x Read the Winds 1x Spirit's Touch 1x Precognition 2x Eagle's Sight 6x Telepathic Misdirection 1x Telepathic Counter 1x Cats' Guidance 1x Cardinal Sin: Insubordination 5x Chiropteran Marauder 1x Breath of the Dragon 1x Starvation of Marena 1x Canine Horde 1x Boxed In 1x Mylan 1x Palatial Estate 1x Weirding Stone 1x Heart of Cheating --- 90 CARDS TOTAL

mongrel222

Slight correction here - there's 7 Telepathic Misdirection, not 6. Notes written below. Deck Name : Under Lambach Author : Matt Hirsch Description : It's a vote deck with a lot of toolbox, defense, and agg strikes. Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 10 average: 8.25 3x Lambach 10 ANI AUS DOM VIC pre cardinal Tzimisce:2 2x Velya, The Flayer 9 ANI AUS PRE VIC for cardinal Tzimisce:3 1x John Paleologus 9 ANI AUS CEL VIC pot archbishop Tzimisce:3 1x Stravinsky 9 ANI AUS VIC pot archbishop Tzimisce:2 1x Meshenka 8 ANI AUS VIC priscus Tzimisce:2 1x Sascha Vykos, The 8 AUS THA VIC ani dom priscus Tzimisce:2 1x Sascha Vykos, The Adv 8 AUS THA VIC ani dom archbishop Tzimisce:2 1x Elizabeth Westcott 5 AUS ani cel vic Tzimisce:3 1x Lolita Houston 4 VIC aus Tzimisce:2 Library [90 cards] Action [5] 1x Abbot 1x Fiendish Tongue 1x Shepherd's Innocence 2x Under Siege Action Modifier [14] 1x Bribes 4x Changeling 1x Conditioning 1x Crocodile's Tongue 3x Mind of the Wilds 1x Private Audience 3x Telepathic Vote Counting Action Modifier/Combat [1] 1x Plasmic Form Ally [1] 1x Mylan Horseed (Goblin) Combat [9] 1x Boxed In 1x Breath of the Dragon 1x Canine Horde 5x Chiropteran Marauder 1x Starvation of Marena Equipment [3] 1x Heart of Nizchetus 1x Palatial Estate 1x Weirding Stone Master [19] 1x Admonitions, The 1x Black Forest Base 4x Blood Doll 1x Fear of Mekhet 1x Giant's Blood 1x Golconda: Inner Peace 1x Information Highway 1x Library Hunting Ground 1x Powerbase: Madrid 1x Storage Annex 4x Villein 1x Wash 1x Wider View Political Action [11] 1x Anarchist Uprising 1x Ancient Influence 1x Ancilla Empowerment 1x Disputed Territory 5x Kine Resources Contested 1x Public Vilification 1x Reins of Power Reaction [27] 1x Cardinal Sin: Insubordination 1x Cats' Guidance 2x Eagle's Sight 2x Eyes of Argus 2x Forced Awakening 2x On the Qui Vive 1x Precognition 2x Read the Winds 2x Sense the Savage Way 1x Spirit's Touch 1x Telepathic Counter 7x Telepathic Misdirection 3x Wake with Evening's Freshness Notes: I originally had built a tournament-level Terrifisto deck, and I also had a Lambach deck in my casual deck supply (which used goofy stuff like Deploy the Hand). I played the Terrifisto deck at the LCQ #1, and I found it to be quite underwhelming. So I started a deck retrofit the morning of the tournament, using the Lambach crypt, and the Terrifisto library. Removing ~8 fortitude cards from the Terrifisto deck gave me some creative space to work with. Elizabeth Westcott - Should actually be Devin Bisley, but I didn't have a copy on hand. Fiendish Tongue - Could probably be a Deep Song, in case you want to rush. The untap from Tongue isn't really needed given all the untap/wakes in the deck. Heart of Nizchetus - It's been said before, but it's worth repeating: This card is amazingly good and other players don't even see how you're building the perfect hand at the start of your turn. This card directly got me the winning vp, as I drew into two Changelings at just the right time. Mind of the Wilds - I'm a real big fan of this card, as it lets Tzimisce decks play that second point of stealth without spending a blood on Plasmic Form. Under Siege - Even for a crypt that has great access to untap and intercept effects, putting an Under Siege on the table is really powerful. I simply get the freedom to tap out and my predator knows I have untap/intercept sitting on the table. Add Lambach's agg threat on top of that. Black Forest Base - This is a great card, but I'm always hesitant to add it to decks because it adds table chatter. If you use it, be prepared for the cross-table begging and have a ready yes/no answer prepared so it doesn't stall the game. Mylan Horseed - If he gets stolen, he can trash the Black Forest Base. I know it's a bit corner case, but you do have to watch out for it. Otherwise you're going to endure some serious gloating when someone actually pulls it off. Cardinal Sin: Insubordination - Never got to pull it off in the tournament, but I'd still keep it in the deck. I was anticipating more Sabbat decks using Danse Macabre cards. Weirding Stone - I like this card, but it's very hard to remember to use it in every untap phase (including your own) For some reason I had particular trouble remembering to use it in my prey's untap phase. Public Vilification - It's a bit too hard to use. I had 2 copies in the Terrifisto deck and I dropped down to one here. Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Wed Jun 18 19:01:00 2014]

ReverendRevolver

Ive said it before, but Matt is easily the most interesting toolbox builder ive seen. The Hannibal adv was harder to read, but this one is just as "little of everything without sucking" as that. Never boring TWD entries. Ever.

Ashur

> mongrel222 wrote: > Mylan Horseed - If he gets stolen, he can trash the Black Forest Base. I know it's a bit corner case, but you do have to watch out for it. Otherwise you're going to endure some serious gloating when someone actually pulls it off. > This happened to me once. Very embarrasing indeed. "My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."

Ashur

> mongrel222 wrote: > Weirding Stone - I like this card, but it's very hard to remember to use it in every untap phase (including your own) For some reason I had particular trouble remembering to use it in my prey's untap phase. > Really think this is worth playing? Why? "My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."

mongrel222

> Ashur wrote: > > > mongrel222 wrote: > > Weirding Stone - I like this card, but it's very hard to remember to use it in every untap phase (including your own) For some reason I had particular trouble remembering to use it in my prey's untap phase. > > > Really think this is worth playing? Why? > Weirding Stone is an interesting card. It was originally a holdover from the Terrifisto version of this deck, which had extra actions from Freak Drives. The 'peeking' ability of this card isn't amazing, but it's still useful. While you can usually guess what kind of cards our opponents have, it's nice to know a little about what they currently have in hand. In some situations, it's useful to look at your own top card as well. The real power of the card is 'master sniping', taking out a master card before someone even gets it in hand. Sure, it is definitely a gamble, but the odds aren't that bad. Conservatively, figure in an average deck, 15 out of 90 cards are masters. That's a 1/6 shot there. You usually want to snipe your predator and prey's master cards. So, every turn, 1/6 + 1/6 = 1/3. On average, you get to Wash a prey/predator master card very cheaply every 3 turns. Add to that the opportunity to snipe a master cross-table, and, in some corner-case scenarios, you may want to snipe your own master card. So, I do like it, but as I mentioned, it can be tough to remember to use it. -Matt H.

ReverendRevolver

During x do y.. .. W stone isnt unique..... If I have Corine, Devin, Dragos, amd Calian all camping out with weirding stones, its my preys untap phase..... Stone on Corine says "during x do y" so i look at the card. My prey is playing a girls deck. Its a liquidation. Corine burns a blood, burn liquidation. So, its still during x....... Stone on Devin says during x do y, the top cars is now something different, so I can look, this time burn Ashur tablets? Continue for next two? My crosstables show a grapple and a deflection, not burnable. My predator is Anson, I burn ashur tablets, can I continue on for other 3 Stoned Tzimitsce? (Aka, and hemceforth reffered to as Stoned Fiends....) Somethings have a "oncr during x, do y" but this time, a non unique card says I do one thing during a time, so Im seeing it as I can do y for each rock, be it looking at the same card 4 times, or buring master cards. Ideas?

Ankha

Yes, you can use 4 Weirding Stones one time each. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

extrala

I am collecting the results from this year's NAC since the Archons are up and approved. What decks did the other finalists play? 1. Matthew Hirsch (USA) — 1 GW 5.5 VP — 4 VP — Tzimisce G2/3 Vote/Toolbox 2. Kelly Schultz (USA) — 2 GW 8 VP — 1 VP – 2. Mark Loughman (USA) — 1 GW 6 VP — 0 VP – 2. Robyn Tatu (USA) — 1 GW 5 VP — 0 VP – 2. Ke Carlton (UK) — 1 GW 5 VP — 0 VP –

Ke.

> extrala wrote: > I am collecting the results from this year's NAC since the Archons are up and approved. What decks did the other finalists play? > 1. Matthew Hirsch (USA) — 1 GW 5.5 VP — 4 VP — Tzimisce G2/3 Vote/Toolbox > 2. Kelly Schultz (USA) — 2 GW 8 VP — 1 VP – Honor the elders gravy train. > 2. Mark Loughman (USA) — 1 GW 6 VP — 0 VP – Nocturn Bleed with Shadow Twin and Computer Hacks > 2. Robyn Tatu (USA) — 1 GW 5 VP — 0 VP -- Brujah G4/5 Heavy Bleed + Vote > 2. Ke Carlton (UK) — 1 GW 5 VP — 0 VP – Hartmut + Friends Flurry of Actions > See above; best recollection. Amaranth Deck Building Tool : VTES NZ : VTES ANZ Facebook

Ke.

This is roughly the deck: Deck Name : Hartmut + Friends Author : Ke @ vtes-consumed.blogspot.com Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 7 max: 11 average: 10.1667 3x Mistress Fanchon (11) inner circle Tremere (group 4) 3x Hartmut Stover (10) archbishop Gangrel antitribu (group 3) 2x Adana de Sforza (11) inner circle Brujah (group 4) 2x Rafael de Corazon (11) inner circle Toreador (group 4) 1x Yazid Tamari Adv (8) Assamite (group 3) 1x Suzanne Kadim (7) Toreador (group 3) Library [75 cards] Action [11] 8x Flurry of Action 3x Govern the Unaligned Action Modifier [22] 4x Conditioning 4x Elder Impersonation 2x Enkil Cog 5x Faceless Night 6x Lost in Crowds 1x Spying Mission Action Modifier/Combat [1] 1x Swallowed by the Night Combat [5] 5x Preternatural Evasion Master [22] 1x Coven, The 1x Creepshow Casino 1x Giant's Blood 1x House of Sorrow 1x Information Highway 1x Metro Underground 1x Monastery of Shadows 6x Villein 1x Wider View 8x Zillah's Valley Political Action [8] 3x Banishment 5x Kine Resources Contested Reaction [6] 6x Deflection Amaranth Deck Building Tool : VTES NZ : VTES ANZ Facebook