New card idea: bounce + reduce

How about a card that combines bounce + reduce? Such as: Bad Connection Reaction 1 blood Only usable when an ally or younger vampire is bleeding you, after blocks are declined. Tap this reacting vampire. Reduce the bleed by 1. Choose another Methuselah other than the acting minion's controller. The acting minion is now bleeding that Methuselah. Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

It dwarves Lost in Translation. > Name: Lost in Translation > [LotN:C/PA] > Cardtype: Reaction > Cost: 2 blood > Only usable when an ally or younger vampire is bleeding you, after blocks are declined. > Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another Methuselah other than the acting minion's controller. The acting minion is now bleeding the chosen Methuselah. Only one Lost in Translation may be played each action. > PRO: - it costs 1 blood less - you may play more than one during the action CON: - it reduces the bleed by 1 (which can be a PRO if you direct it to an ally). When you're bled for 6, you can still make your prey lose 5, so the bleed reducer isn't satisfactory for a disciplineless card that costs only 1 blood (because the other cards requiring a discipline to do the same effect usually cost 1 bood too). And even if the bleed was reduced to 0, it would be a card that protects you from a bleed for only 1 blood and no discipline, which can be seen as unbalanced. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

This one is interesting.

If one would make a cheap disciplineless bounce I would recomend one to keep the limit from LinT, Only one Bad Connection may be played each action. Or maybe even include both cards, ie. Only one Bad Connection or Lost in Translation may be played each action. No errata would be needed to LinT, since they would be limited by BC's limit. Overall I'm in Ankha's corner though, I'm not in favour of a cheap bounce.

> KevinM wrote: > How about a card that combines bounce + reduce? Such as: > > Bad Connection > Reaction > 1 blood > Only usable when an ally or younger vampire is bleeding you, after blocks are declined. Tap this reacting vampire. Reduce the bleed by 1. Choose another Methuselah other than the acting minion's controller. The acting minion is now bleeding that Methuselah. > Firstly, a 2 blood cost might be more reasonable (or a don't replace' clause). What about a version that played with the politics of the table a little more...? Bad Connection Reaction 2 blood Only usable when a younger vampire is bleeding you, after blocks are declined. Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another Methuselah other than the acting minion's controller. The acting vampire is now bleeding that Methuselah, and may burn 1 (or X?) blood to reduce the bleed by 1 (X?). The picture in my head is my prey begging my predator to burn the blood and stop him from getting ousted or brought within ousting range, while the predator mulls over his blood situation and decides if it's worth letting his squealing grand-prey survive... Other variants could limit it to a My Enemy's Enemy setup, to only flick to a predetermined player. Or decreasing cost, lifting restrictions and adding a Discipline... cheers Disco Stu Prince of Melbourne, Australia

Bad Connection 2 blood Reaction Only playable when a younger vampire or ally is bleeding you. Reduce the bleed of this action by 1. Choose another Methuselah other than the acting Methuselah. The acting minion is now bleeding that Methuselah. The acting minion may choose to end this action unsuccessfully now. I tend to think of reducers as a 'waster' card. They waste predator actions and effectively buy you time to take your actions. Yes I realise people want to pile the additional pressure on their prey, but having your predator frustrated has its own advantages. I see the additional clause as an excellent 'waster' clause... your predator can choose to waste the action or whack your prey/target. Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418

What if, instead of reducing the bleed by one, it reduced it *to* one, and the only player it could be redirected at was your prey? So you can bounce it around cheaply, but you're not going to get very much out of it.

Reducing it to 1 doesn't make it balanced. > > Ankha wrote: > And even if the bleed was reduced to 0, it would be a card that protects you from a bleed for only 1 blood and no discipline, which can be seen as unbalanced. > Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

what about a card that splits the bleed between yourself and another player(s)? kind of like poison pill. maybe the bleed becomes directed at multiple targets, and each can choose to block or share the pain.

> Haze wrote: > what about a card that splits the bleed between yourself and another player(s)? kind of like poison pill. maybe the bleed becomes directed at multiple targets, and each can choose to block or share the pain. > That doesn't make much thematic sense: how does a vampire reduce the influence of multiple Methuselahs with one bleed action?

> DeathInABottle wrote: > > > Haze wrote: > > what about a card that splits the bleed between yourself and another player(s)? kind of like poison pill. maybe the bleed becomes directed at multiple targets, and each can choose to block or share the pain. > > > That doesn't make much thematic sense: how does a vampire reduce the influence of multiple Methuselahs with one bleed action? > the vampire gets distracted by side quests to get cool items instead of focusing on the important main quest. happens all the time!

What about 'tap to bounce and reduce by 1'. With cost of 1 blood. It would force you to either untap via unusual wake (animalism, quietus, fortitude, elduing arms of morphy) or stay untaped. This way it's weaker than lost in translation thus can cost less. Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.