I was reading through the VEKN rules on running tournaments and I found no issues that could restrict online play. As long as VEKN numbers and play was observed, The LackeyCCG has a save functions on games so even if a server crashed it could still be replayed. What are people's opinions on having a real time online tourneyment for VTES? Is it even possible?
What would have to happen to make it sanctioned?
I'd hope that such a tournament would never become rated, since you cannot police cheating. That by itself makes the online tool unusable for rated play.
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
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It would be work for sure. But I believe if you had a judge/observer at every server table. That cheating could be elimated to the point the actually cards wont be changed. Advisors in person or someone actually taking the keyboard over can be a big problem if someone chose to do that. I bring this up because with a worldwide market that VTES has online play could bring more players into the market. User authentication becomes a major deal as well. That doesn't mean we should avoid it entirely. I am also interested in what your definition of 'cheating' is, because online I really think the actually play area can be policied. However user authentication requires alot of work.
Games are much longer online because you lose time manipulating the game area. Chat isn't great either, and you can't be sure there is no secret agreements.
Prince of Paris, France
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I was thinking more video conference than chat. Play online with video and audio feeds.
This should elimate coaching and secret deals prior to game cannot be judged
During game collusion via text or chat takes time, and would slow down play to the point of being observable
Time rules could be adjusted to take into consideration this type of play.
The rules do call for requested breaks etc. and additional time added by judges.
But I do understand your points and it wouldn't replace offline play.
But would bring together groups across the world.
And most of all give isolated players a way to still get involved and get some experience to qualify.
RE:LackeyCCG is there are decent sized player base these days? Also are the majority of players from Europe or USA? I used to play a very long time ago and always had probs getting a game, because of my timezone and strange working hours.
From my experience, I have been able to get games there. Usually 4 to 5 players but nothing fantastic. However I have seen 10 players logged on.
My only complaint is the Deflection art!
Gag!!
What I define as 'cheating' is players talking via some chat tool about what their plays will be. There is no way to stop this, and since it's a multi-player game, you're screwed.
Magic Online can work because it's a two-player game. So, even though many Magic players are cheaters, they can't easily cheat online.
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
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you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
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I have to agree there are no ways of controlimg text or application based coaching
or deal making. The rules do define it as cheating. And until there is a 100 percent valid way to make sure no one cheats is such a way no online VTES game could ever be sanctioned by Vekn. That really puts the future of the game in jeopardy since sooner rather than latter new players will not have access to the game because no new cards are being produced. In your example VTES will become a game of who can buy the most villian and enkil cogs, and only those will qualify.
> drstrange26 wrote:
> I was reading through the VEKN rules on running tournaments and I found no issues that could restrict online play.
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The Tournament Rules do not allow sanctioned online events:
> Non-existant user wrote:
> All cards in a player's deck must be genuine Vampire: The Eternal Struggle or Jyhad cards.
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That's a bit of a drastic position DrStrange.
I've qualified without Enkil Cog or Villein when both cards were in print.
Cheating in online tournaments would be too easy to do and far to hard to police.
Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418
It is drastic. You can compete now. How about next year or say three years from now? Will you be able to keep those carrion crows from turning to dust?
Ultimatly sanctioned VTES tournaments will die away as no new cards are being produced. It won't happen within the next few months. The games' players are intelligent and I really find the game entertaining. I really think that the game itself will stay alive but the competition of tournaments will ultimatly wain as the cards wear with time. I really think online play could help keep the competition of VTES active.
The ultimate problem is that online tournaments will be no way at all to police out-of-game chat, deal-making and cheating. That will mean that there will be no real way to ever have online formal tournament play.
Real life games can be the only option for genuine rated tournament play. It's matter of keeping your playgroups alive and it's not just about the cards.
Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418
There are technical solutions imaginable to all the problems with online play. However I see it much less likely that someone will invest the 100s of hours necessary to do this than some company picking up the game.