[Submission] Accelerated Decay (Samedi pool damage)

Name: Accelerated Decay Cardtype: Action Clan: Samedi +1 steath action. Each Methuselah burns 1 pool, unless he or she burns the Edge. Making it a action against everyone is balanced by the fact Samedi has access to Obfuscate. Burning the edge to avoid the effect force you to bleed as many times as you want to play the card, or take the pool damage as well. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Samedi are in desperate need of new cards, but in terms of defence. Why would I play this, when I can just bleed for one? Compared to bleeding, this generates a lot of table hate (especially if you play multiple copies), and Samedi really want to avoid that.

> Von_Polack wrote: > Samedi are in desperate need of new cards, but in terms of defence. Why would I play this, when I can just bleed for one? Compared to bleeding, this generates a lot of table hate (especially if you play multiple copies), and Samedi really want to avoid that. > EDIT: Would it be overpowered if it did 2 pool damage, but only to your prey and predator, or you could choose who it targets (and targeted players get a right to block). I would play a multiacting Samedi deck featuring only these and Off Kilters.

I don't know that this card does enough to really care about it. The fact that you are lowering the table's pool total makes direct pool damage more effective. It would just take too many of these cards to make a difference. Compare this card to something like Screw the Masquerade or Vermin Channel. They occasionally see play as a joke, but not for much else. Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one. -Friedrich Nietzsche brandonsantacruz.blogspot.com/

Yea, David Tatu, I believe, had quite an off Kilter deck. I cant remember if he enticed or if enticing samdi was one of those decks i keep meaning to build. Either way, samedis best win comdition is: recruit a,dead hooker -> bleed vigorously. Ive tried g23 and 45, and g23 is better. I know (maybe Oscar?) Win with g56, but im all about g2, as its the best, and i use foritude as a crutch. Anyway, open dossier&dirty contract is the best way for samedi to block, barring Troggy having AUS and (?) Morlock(?) Having aus. They could use some kind of Necro than card for blocking as though untapped and some small bonus (opposimg younger vamp cant dodge, sce, or play aim cards first round) sup +1 intercept, make it only useable agaimst d actions, yiu get the idea. But Samedi neex to bleex and recruit dead hookers to oust, and they can multiact some off kilter and little moumtain to not die, but theyve always had "neat"(argue, i dare you. Its neat as hell) combat stuff they only sometimes get to use (i used to pack one compress, and loved using wither. Seriously, wither with stick n traps n prevent and presz is Hilarious). If they can block, and fluff wise necro than being able to provide ghostly "lookout dude!", and than of course for combat hinderance, they can build something other than dead hooker stealth bleed. This card isnt very samedi, as they tend not to be very global. This card sortof works for than, but not seeing how it is needed or useful to them. I play Samedi weirdness, and wouldnt use,this.

> Von_Polack wrote: > EDIT: Would it be overpowered if it did 2 pool damage, but only to your prey and predator, or you could choose who it targets (and targeted players get a right to block). I would play a multiacting Samedi deck featuring only these and Off Kilters. > 4 pool damage against useful Methuselahs off one clan card is a fair amount of damage, even for a bloodline. Also, be careful how you word it, because that could be 4 pool damage in the end game, when your prey is your predator. Which is a fair amount. (Obviously, you could add something like "If there are more than two players in the game..." to the text.) Lily Prelude is perhaps the closest comparison I can think of - non-scarce Bloodlines clan, 4 unbounceable pool damage with an inferior discipline which is sort-of-the-same as being a clan card - but that requires passing a vote and costs a blood, though of course that can be against one Methuselah. I was wondering if you could do something similarly inspired, but perhaps something like: Accelerated Decay Action, Some stealth, Maybe a cost Do some pool damage to your prey. Additionally, if your prey has fewer than X pool (when this action is announced), you may also choose to do some pool damage to your prey's prey. Which is similar to your "choose who it targets" version , but a bit more restricted. I was thinking along the lines of Foreshadowing Destruction. It feels a little more themey for infections, decay etc. too - the rot spreading from prey to grand-prey. "Some" might be 2 to your prey and 1 to your grand-prey, maybe? But whatever you fancy.

Well why not jack up the 'dead hooker' sort of theme to THN/NEC... Accelerated Decay Action Samedi The chosen Methuselah burns X pool where X is 1 + 1 for each non-zombie ally and 1 for each vampire in their ash heap. (Some flavour text about dragging up the rotting dead) Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418

> Juggernaut1981 wrote: > Accelerated Decay > Action > Samedi > The chosen Methuselah burns X pool where X is 1 + 1 for each non-zombie ally and 1 for each vampire in their ash heap. > (Some flavour text about dragging up the rotting dead) > The time is ripe for GreenO to re-create his (terrible) Yong Sun deck, now with added Samedi. There are some potentially uncomfortable/annoying ways of getting crypt cards into people's ash heaps, which might be unpleasant to face. e.g. Might of the Camarilla. Not because such a deck would be significantly overpowered, but because it might start chasing the game down weird corner cases, where you're facing a deck that's doing unbounceable, high-stealth pool damage, so nixing the defences of bounce, moderate intercept, and reduction. And you don't have to be doing all that many weird things before the potential pool damage mounts up. And it doesn't have to be that weird. Samedi have Obf/For, so something like Baltimore Purge + Renewed Vigor + stealth +... Vulnerability? Gregory Winter + Cloak/Veil? Maybe borrow Tye Cooper if you can find a Nec angle? Sacrificial Lamb is a bit poor. White Nights Massacre has potential - although the werewolf/extra copy angle, less so - especially given you would play it after the Baltimore Purge action has gone through. If feeling especially adventurous, the Harbingers have a couple of vampires with Obfuscate (particularly, Egottha and La Viuda Blanca) who you might borrow if you fancy some sort of Obf/For Purge deck, with added Crematorium. And it's not that it feels Tier 1 Must Win the NAC in power, just that it feels a little bit 'out there' in terms of how other decks can interact with it. Potentially high stealth actions, that doesn't require bleed or vote or combat, meaning common deck styles might have extremely limited interaction potential with it.

> Juggernaut1981 wrote: > Well why not jack up the 'dead hooker' sort of theme to THN/NEC... > > Accelerated Decay > Action > Samedi > The chosen Methuselah burns X pool where X is 1 + 1 for each non-zombie ally and 1 for each vampire in their ash heap. > (Some flavour text about dragging up the rotting dead) > Once again, I am sorry I read this post. Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one. -Friedrich Nietzsche brandonsantacruz.blogspot.com/

@Brandon: Sorry you think that way... It was a shot in the dark. THN seems like a discipline that should have all sorts of interesting potential but doesn't meet it and NEC is basically "Block Fails & Shambling Hordes"... Maybe Dead Hand if you're pushing it and the odd recycling shennanigans with a Soul-Gem Turbo type deck. @James: Sure, but isn't it always the problem of getting them into torpor? You could do something Baltimore Purge related, but then you're going to get some genuine table hate and Samedi can't really defend themselves. All Kudos to someone who can get Yong Sun to work... I've wanted to make a Yong Sun deck to exploit his text and they seem to die quickly or you lose Yong Sun to AI. Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418

Your goals are good, but the means are terrible here. For one thing the wording doesn't make sense. Are you targeting non-zombie allies in the ash heap? Why does it matter if they are zombies? How many dudes do you plan on burning? How? Compress + amaranth? While the card is at least technically playable if the trick doesn't work, it is worse than a bleed for one because it doesn't get you the edge. True, you can target anyone, but Samedi are not known for their cross-table control, let alone winning. !Nos or FoS can lend some non-bleed ousting power much more effectively than this, so why use it? If you want something else for Samedi to do, how about something that makes people pay pool to untap a minion? Why not an ability to burn blood to cause your prey to burn pool? How about a vote card? Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one. -Friedrich Nietzsche brandonsantacruz.blogspot.com/

> brandonsantacruz wrote: > If you want something else for Samedi to do, how about something that makes people pay pool to untap a minion? > Ooh, I quite like that. And it seems like a perfect time to roll out the word "Necrotic/Necrosis" for a card name, which has - somehow - not made it there so far.

> Juggernaut1981 wrote: > Sure, but isn't it always the problem of getting them into torpor? > *resigned sigh* The point is not whether such a deck would or wouldn't be super-powerful, but that it pushes the game away from the normal forms of interactivity between decks. (Like I said in my original reply, in detail, explicitly.)

Im still of the opinion Samedi need reactions, and maybe modifiers. They have 3 solid actions, between little mountain, off kilter, and dead hookers, and they have sometimes unplayable sometimes percect plays, like psychicveil, shambler, pressing flesh, putrescent servitude, etc. Lots of actions. Freak drive costs a blood and a deck slot, so, yes, they fan play alot maybe, but it catches up with them.

> jamesatzephyr wrote: > > > Juggernaut1981 wrote: > > Accelerated Decay > > Action > > Samedi > > The chosen Methuselah burns X pool where X is 1 + 1 for each non-zombie ally and 1 for each vampire in their ash heap. > > (Some flavour text about dragging up the rotting dead) > > > The time is ripe for GreenO to re-create his (terrible) Yong Sun deck, now with added Samedi. > YES! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSS! HAHAHAHAAA! You mocked (rightly)! But now, NOW, who's laughing? 11 years I've been planning this, getting my people into position to strike. Hughbot and Nuddroid have executed Operation:Death of My Conscience near-perfectly (they will soon be deactivated). Now I will wreak my massively contrived revenge. By merely bolting my tuned turbo-Julius Mummify engine I will break this game wide open. It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation. -Herman Melville

> jamesatzephyr wrote: > > > Juggernaut1981 wrote: > > Accelerated Decay > > Action > > Samedi > > The chosen Methuselah burns X pool where X is 1 + 1 for each non-zombie ally and 1 for each vampire in their ash heap. > > (Some flavour text about dragging up the rotting dead) > > > The time is ripe for GreenO to re-create his (terrible) Yong Sun deck, now with added Samedi. > > There are some potentially uncomfortable/annoying ways of getting crypt cards into people's ash heaps, which might be unpleasant to face. e.g. Might of the Camarilla. Not because such a deck would be significantly overpowered, but because it might start chasing the game down weird corner cases, where you're facing a deck that's doing unbounceable, high-stealth pool damage, so nixing the defences of bounce, moderate intercept, and reduction. And you don't have to be doing all that many weird things before the potential pool damage mounts up. > > And it doesn't have to be that weird. Samedi have Obf/For, so something like Baltimore Purge + Renewed Vigor + stealth +... Vulnerability? Gregory Winter + Cloak/Veil? Maybe borrow Tye Cooper if you can find a Nec angle? Sacrificial Lamb is a bit poor. White Nights Massacre has potential - although the werewolf/extra copy angle, less so - especially given you would play it after the Baltimore Purge action has gone through. If feeling especially adventurous, the Harbingers have a couple of vampires with Obfuscate (particularly, Egottha and La Viuda Blanca) who you might borrow if you fancy some sort of Obf/For Purge deck, with added Crematorium. > > And it's not that it feels Tier 1 Must Win the NAC in power, just that it feels a little bit 'out there' in terms of how other decks can interact with it. Potentially high stealth actions, that doesn't require bleed or vote or combat, meaning common deck styles might have extremely limited interaction potential with it. > gisella harden with samedis Archbishop of Vitória