As it appears the TWDA that has been taken care of by Jeff for such a long
time will no longer be updated on its original site.
As many have pointed out in the their initial responses to these sad news
the TWDA has been an inspiration, documentation and source of motivation for
many vtes players, including myself.
Getting ur first entry into the TWDA can be a very fulfilling event in your
vtes carrier, and reaching the hall of fame even moreso. For me personally
the presence in the TWDA, be it 1 or many entries is alot more satisfying than the VTES ranking is or used to be. It is not per se about competition but being included in a community due to your deck building and playing skill and it is a nice opportunity to recieve ur 15 minnutes of fame.
The TWDA also servers as a sensitive indicator of how the game is evolving,
be it the imbued wave, the tup dog terror or the rise to power of "girls find something".
Therefor i petition to keep the TWDA alive in some form, be it by someone
willing and able to do so on their own site or implementing it on the vekn.net. I guess there could be also shared rights of adding to the TWDA for several people, so that the work load is somewhat shared.
If there were someone to implement an easy access to the database, i would gladly help to keept the TWDA up to date, but unfortunatly i am a totally ignorant when it comes to web hosting/design or whatever the correct vocabulary for "putting things on the web" is.
So i guess the real purpose of the thread is:
Who has a solution of how to keep the TWDA alive
> BenPeal wrote:
> Already working on it.
>
It may not be perfect, but the folks running the secret library have been decent about keeping twd info on thier site. Very useful, incase you ever wonder how many times obscure cards have won, or how many times hugh has won with intercept and sticks.......
Very neat, those guys have always been an invaluable resource as well.
I feel if we reinstate the hall of fame, we should add some sparkle, and make an enormous spotlight for Jeff in it, for all hes done over the years.
> ReverendRevolver wrote:
> It may not be perfect, but the folks running the secret library have been decent about keeping twd info on thier site. Very useful, incase you ever wonder how many times obscure cards have won, or how many times hugh has won with intercept and sticks.......
>
Initially Jussi started entering the TWDs into Secret Library, later on Pascal and I entered a lot of the decks, and currently I am updating the SL with the decks that appear in the Event Reports on vekn.net every two weeks or so.
Go to the Deck Search page of Secret Library. Enter "10" (or whatever number you feel comfortable with) as minimum number of participants, and voila you have almost of the decks of the TWDA. Currently there are 2205 decks marked as TWDs in tournaments with 10 or more players.
There are some issues with this compared to Lasombra's TWDA, namely that everybody can enter a TWD at the moment, and only the author (and Jussi, I guess) I guess can correct any errors or delete a deck if it isn't actually a tournament winning one. There are some errors (dates, duplicates, etc.) but largely the decks are identical to the ones in the TWDA.
> extrala wrote:
> Go to the Deck Search page of Secret Library. Enter "10" (or whatever number you feel comfortable with) as minimum number of participants, and voila you have almost of the decks of the TWDA. Currently there are 2205 decks marked as TWDs in tournaments with 10 or more players.
>
Alternatively, you can use this link:
www.veknfrance.com/twd.html
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Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
If you spot any errors in the TWD in the Secret Library, you can always pester me through this forum and I will fix it.
P.S. It's nevr easy to write on a tablet when you are drunk and on a train. Conferences can be tough occasionally. Especially when the sponsore is so open handed that entrance is free and there are hired girls pouring free shots to your every empty hand.
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Even if I am not doubting that the TWDA will be saved, here is a little article to remember everybody how great the TWDA is
link: Totally Wonderful Deck Archives
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I was just thinking of something and had the thought of being curious as to what cards each Hall of Famer has most often used and never used.
How easy would that be with Secret Library to put together? If not so easy, it would be great if we could have an easily searched database that would allow these sort of searches.
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I've had a play as a user looking at the TWDA list and it seemed to lack useful search/filter options - so I don't know if we can build any of this on top [port the data easily in one go to somewhere than can deal with the data?]
What would be really great is if a daily / weekly routine could be created that writes the data in the Secret Libraries TWDA data out to a static file in a similar format to the classic TWDA. One of the strengths of that format was the ease you could browse and search decks (via the browsers search).
The current functionality of the Secret Library approach is clunky and tedious. That said a big thank you for sorting and hosting the data...
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> Ke. wrote:
> What would be really great is if a daily / weekly routine could be created that writes the data in the Secret Libraries TWDA data out to a static file in a similar format to the classic TWDA. One of the strengths of that format was the ease you could browse and search decks (via the browsers search).
>
> The current functionality of the Secret Library approach is clunky and tedious. That said a big thank you for sorting and hosting the data...
>
VEKN France can host the TWDA static page.
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Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Squidalot wrote:
> it seemed to lack useful search/filter options
>
I've often been very happy with Ctrl+f.
Certainly not that versitile but having ALL the info on one page enables you to use that search option. Me likes.
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It could be made into a DB hinged off tournament names, card names and possibly some other qualifiers (like % clan in crypt or % of a specific vampire in crypt). It could be done. Not sure who would want to set it up.
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While database would indeed be VERY nice I would also prefer it to be available in teh current "everything, including the kitchen sink, in one page" format because of the abovementioned Ctrl+f search option.
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> Lönkka wrote:
> While database would indeed be VERY nice I would also prefer it to be available in teh current "everything, including the kitchen sink, in one page" format because of the abovementioned Ctrl+f search option.
>
That's nice but the secret library version isn't in a everything is on one page it's in a this is horrible to read at work [green and black...] and there is no useful "crtl+f" search function or any other filter.
All it does is store each deck on a separate page - not very helpful to use
> Squidalot wrote:
> That's nice but the secret library version isn't in a everything is on one page it's in a this is horrible to read at work [green and black...] and there is no useful "crtl+f" search function or any other filter.
> All it does is store each deck on a separate page - not very helpful to use
>
If you are logged on to SL, you can change the color scheme to something more work-friendly.
www.facebook.com/groups/vtes.belgium/
> D-dennis wrote:
> If you are logged on to SL, you can change the color scheme to something more work-friendly.
>
That's good to know, but requires a login first. Unfortuantely both Vekn.net and secret library are off limits during my workday due to their color schemes — they draw too much attention (even during a lunch break).
I think using secret library as the datasource makes a lot of sense — particularly if an approval mechanism is put in place. Once the data's there, then writing it out in the same format as the TWDA isn't technically difficult. It's just a case of whomever's responsible for the secretlibrary finding the time to do so...
Maybe we could setup a beer fund?
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I see two parts to making the TWDA more flexible.
The first is the database. Secret Library looks like it has Deck as an object and Card as an object. Author, which can be renamed to Player or something, looks to be a field on Deck that would be blown out into an object; Creator could take its place as a field on Deck, for distinguishing who created a deck versus who played it in an event (something some like to do). Tournament would be made into an object, as well. I started writing out the metadata, but I need to find a better way to display schema. Then, beyond the metadata, there's the data - someone needs to confirm accuracy of Players, Tournaments, Decks (Cards already seems taken care of).
The second part is user interface (UI). I'm not sure people would be that into writing SQL style queries to display the data they want, but the options could be expanded, made more flexible, and/or made more user friendly. An expression option could make sense as an addition to prebuilt filters and sorts to enable any sort of query. For those that want all results displayed, can have all results displayed, though an optimal UI should obviate the need for displaying all results and doing CTRL+F style searches.
The first part can be tedious to a degree, though anyone good at database creation probably wouldn't find it that hard, given having the data to work with. The second part is more of an art.
Now, the question is: who is going to do the work to make this happen?
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> Squidalot wrote:
> I'm hoping Ankha is on this...
>
I am, but there's a small technical issue that must be solved first.
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> ICL wrote:
> Now, the question is: who is going to do the work to make this happen?
>
Jussi (Hattara) has developed Secret Library and is hosting it as well. So basically he's the only one at the moment who can implement any changes to the Secret Library.
Btw, many thanks to Jussi for all the work he already put into this project.