Questions:
1º The World Ranking is updated automatically after the approval of the archon?
2º The rank sum the results of the last 12 months or longer?
Desso Alastor
Organized Play Coordinator VEKN
Prince of São Paulo / Brazil ID#706
> dessoalastor wrote:
> Questions:
>
> 1º The World Ranking is updated automatically after the approval of the archon?
>
No, a batch runs nightly so usually you can see ranks change from day to day, not just after archon upload
> 2º The rank sum the results of the last 12 months or longer?
>
Last 18 months from current date, as per vekn rules
Emiliano
vekn.net administrators staff
I didn't realize that VEKN was still maintaining the WW ranking system.
Is it supposed to be valid? For instance, I am not in the list, and I have attended at least 12 tournaments in the past 18 months, including the 2012 NAC, and won four.
It's also missing the names of several other Americans I know from the West Coast, some of who have also won tournaments. The list of Americans seems to contain the same names as the rating systems maintained by WW before it closed, including the names of some people who obviously haven't attended any events for a very, very long time.
> AaronC wrote:
> Is it supposed to be valid?
>
I think this depends on two factors:
1) How diligent the tournament coordinators are at submitting their results.
2) How much the national coordinator cares to follow-up.
For example, Finland is great at submitting their results and Lonkka follows-up with them regularly. The United States is at the other end of that spectrum.
Perhaps this is because many of us don't care about the rankings all the much; they haven't meant anything, so why bother? Of course, in light of Gines' proposals, we'll see if things change.
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> AaronC wrote:
> I didn't realize that VEKN was still maintaining the WW ranking system.
>
> Is it supposed to be valid?
>
Yes.
> AaronC wrote:
> For instance, I am not in the list, and I have attended at least 12 tournaments in the past 18 months, including the 2012 NAC, and won four.
>
> It's also missing the names of several other Americans I know from the West Coast, some of who have also won tournaments. The list of Americans seems to contain the same names as the rating systems maintained by WW before it closed, including the names of some people who obviously haven't attended any events for a very, very long time.
>
That is because many American events have not been reported yet.
In your case, only four tournaments held in the last 18 months have been reported:
www.vekn.net/player-registry/player/2200107
V:EKN Website Coordinator
> Damnans wrote:
>
> That is because many American events have not been reported yet.
>
> In your case, only four tournaments held in the last 18 months have been reported:
>
> www.vekn.net/player-registry/player/2200107
>
I participated in all four of those and won two of them. Of the remaining tournaments shown in that link, I participated in 13.
I started playing in tournaments end of 2008/beginning of 2009. After my first tournaments my name was never added to the ranking. Robyn Tatu said there was some problem with the entry of my name and that of others as well. The rankings system had unfixed technical problems, and then the game got cancelled.
The evidence points to no names having been added or removed from the ranking registry since 2008. Under "Country - United States" are listed many, many players who did not participate in those 4 tournaments you indicated. Yet at the same time, there are lots of players in there from events that must have taken place a long, long time ago. I am almost absolutely sure it is the same list of players that existed when I looked up the same thing on the WW website back when it was in existence. I live in Pasadena and have never heard of Dwight Nation or Chase Linbo. The names of some players, such as Bill Troxel, are made conspicuous by their absence.
Additionally, there is a serious problem with the organization of VEKN if the results from the North American Championships have never been entered into its ranking system.
Ginés,
In these events below, me , Roberto and Fernanda did not get the appropriate points ( RTP ) :
www.vekn.net/event-calendar/event/6992
www.vekn.net/event-calendar/event/7364
www.vekn.net/event-calendar/event/7373
Please help,
Thanks.
Desso Alastor
Organized Play Coordinator VEKN
Prince of São Paulo / Brazil ID#706
> dessoalastor wrote:
> Ginés,
>
> In these events below, me , Roberto and Fernanda did not get the appropriate points ( RTP ) :
>
> www.vekn.net/event-calendar/event/6992
>
> www.vekn.net/event-calendar/event/7364
>
> www.vekn.net/event-calendar/event/7373
>
> Please help,
>
> Thanks.
>
Please report that to Emiliano (er-principe), and he will fix it as soon as possible.
V:EKN Website Coordinator
> Damnans wrote:
> That is because many American events have not been reported yet.
>
> In your case, only four tournaments held in the last 18 months have been reported:
>
> www.vekn.net/player-registry/player/2200107
>
I just realized that I was not interpreting the page that you indicated here. It is my personal information page. I now understand that in theory if you have played in fewer than 8 games in the last 18 months, you should not have a ranking. Okay, so no ranking for me. However, other players who have equal or less activity than me do have a ranking. That is what was so confusing to me. I also realized that some players don't appear in the ratings for their country because no country is indicated in their player entry.
With examples from my region, Jeff Poole (fewer than 8 recent games) also has no ranking, but Andy Fernandez and Edward McGlynn (also fewer than 8 recent games) do have rankings. I don't know why some people's previous activity gets counted but other's don't.
Aaron, I was just looking at this too. I was going to point this fact out also. If I am ranked based on the reported tournaments, and you are not, there must be some glitch as to why you rating is not there. I mean, I don't mind being ranked number 24 in the U.S. and number 463 in THE WORLD!!!
Gines, I am wondering if this can be looked at because I am one who likes these rankings. I don't care that one can be in an area with many tournaments and get a higher rating for being in them. I think some incentives for rankings are good. My incentive is I like to tell people who don't play that I am ranked. But, its kind of like when I tell people I once placed first in a Settlers of Caatan tournament. And then tell them I won first place in the cancelation round. If Aaron or Bill Troxel or anyone else is omitted because of some glitch, then I can say I am 463 in the world.......but then have to add the caveat that guys like Aaron and Bill aren't on the rankings.
-Andy
Since I am a bad organizer, I'm only now in the process of uploading the NAC2013 Archons. I have all the numbers where they need to be but the upload documentation is written for the new version of the Archon, not the old one which was in use earlier this year, and the document itself has errors besides that.
I'm going to work with Gines (or whomever) tomorrow to try to get the grammar problems sorted out, and when that happens, try to adopt the document for the old version of the Archon, and when THAT happens, then I'll upload the NAC2013 Archons.
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That's good, Kevin. However, it looks as though the results for the 2011 and 2012 NACs are not reported either. 2012 NAC was less than 18 months ago.
I also attended EC 2010 Day 1 and FCQ, and those events weren't reported either.
I guess there may be technical issues and such, but it seems important to at least get the results of the Continental Championships into the ranking system for it to have legitimacy.
> dessoalastor wrote:
> Ginés,
>
> In these events below, me , Roberto and Fernanda did not get the appropriate points ( RTP ) :
>
> www.vekn.net/event-calendar/event/6992
>
> www.vekn.net/event-calendar/event/7364
>
> www.vekn.net/event-calendar/event/7373
>
> Please help,
>
> Thanks.
>
Please have the archons for those events to be emailed to me to:
vtes dot roma at gmail dot com
so that i can check the errors
Emiliano
vekn.net administrators staff
> AaronC wrote:
> That's good, Kevin. However, it looks as though the results for the 2011 and 2012 NACs are not reported either. 2012 NAC was less than 18 months ago.
>
> I also attended EC 2010 Day 1 and FCQ, and those events weren't reported either.
>
> I guess there may be technical issues and such, but it seems important to at least get the results of the Continental Championships into the ranking system for it to have legitimacy.
>
I wasn't planning on entering the 2012 events, because they'll drop off in <3 months, but I'll enter in the 2010, 2011, and 2012 NAC Day1 + 2 events, just so they're on (eternal) record.
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
"Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
"Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier
Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/
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> AaronC wrote:
> I also attended EC 2010 Day 1 and FCQ, and those events weren't reported either.
>
A good catch on Paris EC.
Thsi prompted me to check my profile/ratings and I didn't see any EC2011 (Warsaw) events listed there either
Finnish Politics!
I dont have any results listed since 2010. Ive been to every NAC from new orleans to the present, and played in loads of local tourneys, and a few not so local.
Im not saying i should have a super high rating, but i know i should have above 0.
I should say, pester the organizer of the events you participated in.
Peer, or should that be player, pressure should make them find the time for uploading (tempted to say "time" since it takes so little time I don't consider it a time issue...)
Finnish Politics!
> a-e wrote:
>
> > Lönkka wrote:
> > Boss-man pressure; even better!
> >
> that's what you're always giving to us princes in Finland
>
Nah!
Me, I'm easy.
Things work out since you guys just do what you're supposed to and you do it efficiently and well. I'd be up to shit creek without my awesome Princes!
Finnish Politics!
Question:
What means a asterisk (*) on the player's Rating of a given tournament?
I have noticed that some players have that (*) on his last tournament Rating. But other players that played the same tournament do not.
I have noticed too that some players have that (*) on Rating of tournaments from years ago. Some have that (*) on Rating from intermittent (not consecutive) tournaments.
Searched the forum but couldn't find that rating's asterisk meaning.
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I ran across NEW ARCHON just today on another post regarding Spanish Nationals:
"¡Here is an important Notice for all attendees!
All players must be registered into the New Archon (archon.vekn.net/index.html) by Friday"
www.vekn.net/forum/europe/82123-spanish-championship-2025-manresa-barcelona-spain-june-28-29-2025?start=6#114736
I don't recall ever seeing anything about this new way of displaying rankings.
Doesn't seem to differ from the rankings here except the new one displays more than 100 top players (500).
Anything else we should know about it?
Finnish Politics!
> Lönkka wrote:
> I ran across NEW ARCHON just today on another post regarding Spanish Nationals:
>
> "¡Here is an important Notice for all attendees!
>
> All players must be registered into the New Archon (archon.vekn.net/index.html) by Friday"
>
> www.vekn.net/forum/europe/82123-spanish-championship-2025-manresa-barcelona-spain-june-28-29-2025?start=6#114736
>
> I don't recall ever seeing anything about this new way of displaying rankings.
>
> Doesn't seem to differ from the rankings here except the new one displays more than 100 top players (500).
>
> Anything else we should know about it?
>
My understanding is that the rankings are still displayed on this page and that ARCHON will display the data coming from the same data base.
Regarding the Spanish Nationals, in order to be able to check-in for every round of the tournament and to play the tournament, they are asking the registered players to ensure they have their account configured there, which is normal, I think for bcncrisis (the tool they used before) it was the same, right?
> Lönkka wrote:
> I ran across NEW ARCHON just today on another post regarding Spanish Nationals:
>
> "¡Here is an important Notice for all attendees!
>
> All players must be registered into the New Archon (archon.vekn.net/index.html) by Friday"
>
> www.vekn.net/forum/europe/82123-spanish-championship-2025-manresa-barcelona-spain-june-28-29-2025?start=6#114736
>
> I don't recall ever seeing anything about this new way of displaying rankings.
>
> Doesn't seem to differ from the rankings here except the new one displays more than 100 top players (500).
>
> Anything else we should know about it?
>
It should be the same. The Archon app will replace the Archon spreadsheet, we're testing it officially.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> acbishop wrote:
> Regarding the Spanish Nationals, in order to be able to check-in for every round of the tournament and to play the tournament, they are asking the registered players to ensure they have their account configured there, which is normal, I think for bcncrisis (the tool they used before) it was the same, right?
>
Sure.
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