Caroline Valez is in combat with a Tunnel Runner. Tunnel Runner plays Carrion Crows. Caroline doesn't dodge or S:CE. Does she take a damage from the Carrion Crows?
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> Carolina Vález
> Clan: Lasombra
> Group: 5
> Capacity: 9
> Discipline: aus DOM OBT POT PRE
> Sabbat Archbishop of Montreal: Carolina is immune to damage from allies and retainers.
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Carrion Crows' damage isn't dealt by the Tunnel Runner. Carolina isn't immune to that damage.
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Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Ankha wrote:
> Carrion Crows' damage isn't dealt by the Tunnel Runner. Carolina isn't immune to that damage.
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More precisely: Carrion Crows' damage is environmental. Carolina isn't immune to that damage.
> Pascal wrote:
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> > Ankha wrote:
> > Carrion Crows' damage isn't dealt by the Tunnel Runner. Carolina isn't immune to that damage.
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> More precisely: Carrion Crows' damage is environmental. Carolina isn't immune to that damage.
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Hmmm. Isn't the damage from, say, Murder of Crows also environmental? I would imagine Carolina to be immune to that, at least(?).
> Ankha wrote:
> And I don't use the term "environmental" as it is not defined by the rules.
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www.vekn.net/index.php/general-rulings
Damage is only considered to have come from a minion if the damage is from a strike or if an effect specifically states that the damage is dealt by the minion. Damage from other effects is considered "environmental," and has no particular source. [RTR 19970630]
> jamesatzephyr wrote:
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> > Ankha wrote:
> > And I don't use the term "environmental" as it is not defined by the rules.
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> www.vekn.net/index.php/general-rulings
> Damage is only considered to have come from a minion if the damage is from a strike or if an effect specifically states that the damage is dealt by the minion. Damage from other effects is considered "environmental," and has no particular source. [RTR 19970630]
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Sure, but rulings aren't rules
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director