Does Eagle's Sight allow a block to succeed against Elder Imersonation at suerior?

There are other similar effects, but really, what kinds of "normal target restrictions" does eagle's sight work against? Crocodile's Young/Aching beauty style effects? Older/Younger vamires can't block? I need to be reeducated on this one. I swear I used to be able to answer this one myself, but the knowledge is no longer in my brain... [my keyboard is busted, guess which letter doesn't work...]

Elder Impersonation adds a clause preventing that minion from doing so again, "That minion cannot attempt to block this action again." Eagle's Sight just allow you to ignore the normal targeting restrictions, "This reacting vampire attempts to block the current action, ignoring the normal prey, predator or target restrictions for blocking actions." The former clause supersedes the other, as it is not a normal targeting restriction.

That totally makes sense. Given that clause, Elder Im {and cards with like text, such as sychomachia} defeats the other similar raction cards: namely Black Sunrise, Falcon's Eye and Read the Winds, correct?

Just remember that in VtES, when two effects contradict each other, "cannot" trumps "can". Suaku Inceptor Asian Continental Championship 興っ www.youtube.com/SuakuOz

Eagle's Sight superior simply allows the reacting vampire to attempt to block cross table stuff, like D actions towards other people and cross table undirected actions.

Azel's answer regarding Elder Impersonation is correct. However, I still think Eagle's Sight (and Falcon's Eye, for what it's worth) need some clarification (based on what is written above). Name: Eagle's Sight Cardtype: Reaction Discipline: Auspex [aus] +1 intercept. [AUS] This reacting vampire attempts to block the current action, ignoring the normal prey, predator or target restrictions for blocking actions. Name: Falcon's Eye Cardtype: Reaction Discipline: Spiritus/Animalism [ani] This vampire burns 1 blood to get +1 intercept. [spi] +1 intercept. [SPI] This reacting vampire attempts to block the current action, ignoring the normal prey, predator or target restrictions for blocking actions. These two cards declare block attempts. They don't "allow you to block that action", they actually read "Carna / Howler is now attempting to block". Yes, that gives the opportunity to the acting vampire to play cards such as Change of Target, Kiss of Ra, or Elder Impersonation. As a result, you can't really "cycle for the purpose of cycling / fishing for better cards" an Eagle's Sight on a 0-stealth action you don't want to block. Because you'd now be attempting to block it. Now, something else that can be important sometimes: Once a combat is over, Eagle's Sight's block attempt is resolved. If you want to block again (say the acting vampire played Form of Mist), you are no longer an eligible blocker. Eagle's Sight's "ignore eligible blockers" block attempt is gone. That's one of the biggest differences between Eagle's Sight and Anneke - Anneke's ability is passive, and can be applied several times each action. Name: Anneke Cardtype: Vampire Clan: Toreador Group: 1 Capacity: 10 Discipline: dom AUS CEL PRE Camarilla Toreador Justicar: Anneke may attempt to block a vampire controlled by another Methuselah, ignoring the normal prey, predator or target restrictions for blocking actions. +1 bleed.

> Pascal wrote: > That's one of the biggest differences between Eagle's Sight and Anneke - Anneke's ability is passive, and can be applied several times each action. > > Name: Anneke > Cardtype: Vampire > Clan: Toreador > Group: 1 > Capacity: 10 > Discipline: dom AUS CEL PRE > Camarilla Toreador Justicar: Anneke may attempt to block a vampire controlled by another Methuselah, ignoring the normal prey, predator or target restrictions for blocking actions. +1 bleed. > I don't think this is correct (or, I'm misunderstanding your grammar). The wording on Eagle's Sight and Anneke is *exactly* the same, so there's no "passive" or "active" issue to be discussed. What's different is that Eagle's Sight is played to the ash heap and Anneke is a card in-play. Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

> KevinM wrote: > > > Pascal wrote: > > That's one of the biggest differences between Eagle's Sight and Anneke - Anneke's ability is passive, and can be applied several times each action. > > > I don't think this is correct, or your grammar is bad. The wording on Eagle's Sight and Anneke is exactly the same, so there's no "passive" or "active" issue to be discussed. What's different is that Eagle's Sight is played to the ash heap and Anneke is a card in-play. > Eagle's Sight doesn't read "this vampire MAY attempt to block" (in which case, it would have been exactly the same as Anneke, since reaction card effects last for the duration of the action). Maybe "passive" was a wrong choice of words. Would "untriggered", "permanent" be better? [LSJ 20030227] wrote: > > Eagle's Sight is clearly a singular occurrence, not a duration of the action effect. My mistake. After the Form of Mist, you'd have to again establish your eligibility prior to playing Special Report. > Note that this was due to a cardtext migration in Camarilla Edition (iirc). Also, something that I didn't say above, but that sometime matters: You can't play Eagle's Sight if the current block attempt would be successful. For instance, you can attempt to block with Carna (cardlessly) Dolphin Black's 0-stealth bleed, but when Dolphin Black says "I have no stealth cards", you can't play that Eagle's Sight. Only if a block attempt fails can another block attempt be made (Rulebook 6.2.2.2).

However, you CAN play eagles sight at superior to attempt to block an action you could attempt to block anyway.

It has been said that, you must attempt to block after playing Eagle Sight, and that reactions are in effect though out the course of the action. From this, I infer that, if you play Eyes of Argus then Eagle Sight to block something and over the course of combat the action is continued. Not only can you attempt to block the action again, but you must do so. Correct?

Incorrect. Pascal explained why in his first post.

> Wedge wrote: > It has been said that, you must attempt to block after playing Eagle Sight, and that reactions are in effect though out the course of the action. > If a reaction grants you a persistent effect, it's in effect for the duration of the action. For reactions, this typically means intercept. For action modifiers, this typically means stealth, or bleed. There are other things - say, Uncontrollable Rage. > Wedge wrote: > From this, I infer that, if you play Eyes of Argus then Eagle Sight to block something and over the course of combat the action is continued. Not only can you attempt to block the action again, but you must do so. > Only if I get to infer that: - if I bounce a bleed to you and you bounce it back to me, my Deflection is still in effect for the whole action so I can bounce again to you for free - if I play Second Tradition to untap and block, and then the action is continued with Form of Mist, I can untap again with the already-played Second Tradition, because it's in effect for the whole action - if I play Elder Impersonation to fail a block attempt and you start a new block attempt, I can use the previously-played Elder Impersonation to fail your new block attempt (because Elder Impersonation is in effect for the whole action) Which is to say: no. > Wedge wrote: > Correct? > No. Plenty of reactions provide a one-off effect. Eagle's Sight could say: "For the duration of this action, when you declare blocks, this minion can do so ignoring the usual restrictions on who may block (predator, prey or target etc.)." And it used to say something a bit like that, but the wording was changed. That would persist for the whole action, even if the target changes, or there's a Form of Mist, or whatever. Instead, what Eagle's Sight effectively says is: "Right now, one time only, this vampire attempts to block, ignoring the usual restrictions on who may block." Somewhat like Second Tradition which untaps you and forces a block attempt, but which wouldn't untap you again later in the action.

I apparently was reading text that simply was not there. Sorry for my confusion.