Name: Under Siege
Cardtype: Master
Only usable if a action has been performed against you (or something you control) since your last turn.
For each ready minion you control, you can search your library for a non-unique melee weapon and equip that minion with it. Shuffle afterwards.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Ankha wrote:
> Name: Under Siege
> Cardtype: Master
> Only usable if a action has been performed against you (or something you control) since your last turn.
> For each ready minion you control, you can search your library for a non-unique melee weapon and equip that minion with it. Shuffle afterwards.
>
Very interesting.
Meat hook gets better, definately.
Since most non unique melee weapons suck, namely due to cost, id say its safe. Maybe it could cost a pool. Maybe...
Original version was "A Methuselah can play only 1 Under Siege each game." but I forgot to write it.
I don't think it's worth paying more pool than the cost of the melee weapons you'll get.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
Just because melee weaps are unplayable in most cases, I doubt that it justifies giving a card with no real requirements, easy to cycle, improving general cardflow of a deck and giving free mass +2 or more strength (think disciplineless weenies).
However, if limiting this goodness for a single clan, e.g. Assamites, it could be just not-over-the-top good.
Edit:
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> I don't think it's worth paying more pool than the cost of the melee weapons you'll get.
>
Ah, you forgot to add "pay cost as normal" as well?
Sabbat. If this vampire's bleed is successful, he laughs manicly and untaps.
The cyclability is a problem. I would add the requirement to have minion without melee weapon ; this way, the card could not be cycled to easily. The first one would be very easy to play, the other less so.
The main thing to check would be wether Garrote or Wooden Stake are too easy to use with this card. In this case, the once per game per methuselah would be better.
> Ankha wrote:
> Name: Under Siege
> Cardtype: Master
> Only usable if a action has been performed against you (or something you control) since your last turn.
> For each ready minion you control, you can search your library for a non-unique melee weapon and equip that minion with it. Shuffle afterwards.
>
In an average 80-90-card deck, including one of these, it comes out at card 40-45. So in the majority of games, you've already gone through 40 cards before you get to it. But to include many more is annoying, from a point of view of wasting master slots, master-jam, competing with copies of Blood Doll or Dreams of the Sphinx or whatever. Especially with a "once [per Methuselah] per game" restriction. And there's no secondary usage of it.
Would a slightly weaker card with a secondary/alternative use be appropriate? Say:
Give some melee weapons to some guys. Or, alternatively, as a master-out-of-turn, one of your ready minions with a melee weapon does something cool.
Or perhaps make it weaker but a Trifle, so it's easier to cycle - I can still play a Haven Uncovered or Fame or something if I want. Say (casual wording):
Master. Trifle.
For two of your minions, equip them with a non-unique melee weapon from your hand, ash-heap or library. (Pay cost as normal.)
Is it easier to convince myself to put 2-3 of those in a deck? Maybe.
If you could put in play, and use it when you become "under siege", it would improve the usefullness of the card. If your haven is under siege, a phased motion detector or similar devices could also be available?
Overkill is highly underrated. You know, like in computor games and such.
> agzocgud wrote:
> If you could put in play, and use it when you become "under siege", it would improve the usefullness of the card. If your haven is under siege, a phased motion detector or similar devices could also be available?
>
Unfortunately, the obvious way of bringing PMD in is to use the keyword "electronic equipment". Which also includes Camera Phone and Laptop, and we probably don't want an easy way to tutor and equip those.
You could, of course, list specific cards, go for something like "electronic equipment with a combat effect" (which would include IR Goggles and Light Intensifying Goggles, but not PMD!), or something like "Cannot be used to fetch a piece of equipment that increases your bleed." But it starts getting annoying.
Under Siege
Master
Only usable if you have burned (and not spent on card costs) 3 or more pool since your last discard phase.
You may search your library and equip a non-unique melee weapon on any of your minions for 1 less pool than its cost for each weapon; tap the minions who equip a weapon. All of your untapped minions gain +1 intercept against actions targeting you while this card is in play. Burn this card at the start of your untap phase.
Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418
> kombainas wrote:
> Ah, you forgot to add "pay cost as normal" as well?
>
No, I didn't forget it, it's just unnecessary because the minions equip the weapons and therefore, by default, must pay their cost and fulfill the requirements.
> Ohlmann wrote:
> The cyclability is a problem. I would add the requirement to have minion without melee weapon ; this way, the card could not be cycled to easily. The first one would be very easy to play, the other less so.
>
Right. This would allow playing more than one copy in the deck without using it as a twister.
> kombainas wrote:
> The main thing to check would be wether Garrote or Wooden Stake are too easy to use with this card. In this case, the once per game per methuselah would be better.
>
I doubt it would be stronger than just playing a Decapitate or Disarm (since both weapons require to deal more than 1 damage with it). Sure, one could play Target Vitals and trigger them, but it remains weak.
> agzocgud wrote:
> If you could put in play, and use it when you become "under siege", it would improve the usefullness of the card. If your haven is under siege, a phased motion detector or similar devices could also be available?
>
It's not the purpose of the card.
Its purpose is too increase the playability of melee weapons.
My big dream is to make Bang Nakh played, but this card doesn't address this issue since people would tend to fetch free equipments such as Poker or Stakes...
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Ankha wrote:
> I doubt it would be stronger than just playing a Decapitate or Disarm (since both weapons require to deal more than 1 damage with it). Sure, one could play Target Vitals and trigger them, but it remains weak.
>
You could do a deck with minions with sup' celerity and at least +1 strength, e.g. Jack Drake, Jacque Molay, Joe Boot Hill, Jaroslav Pascek, Enkidu...
They would then only need this card, Psyche!, and some maneuver to be frightening in combat. Jaroslav garrot is already something frightening to behold when it work, but right now it's way too hard to pull off.
> Ankha wrote:
> My big dream is to make Bang Nakh played, but this card doesn't address this issue since people would tend to fetch free equipments such as Poker or Stakes...
>
Bang Nakh don't give enough for his heavy price regardless. It need a text change to be worth something.