Favorite card and why?

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Govern the Unaligned. Make dudes. Win. Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one. -Friedrich Nietzsche brandonsantacruz.blogspot.com/

Majesty from Jyhad set. I love Toreadors. Block, untap block again. Or act, get blocked, act again. The artwork is nice and the quote from NIN makes this version supercool!

Taking the Skin: Minion . actually because the first times i read the card i thought it was utter unplayable crap. an example of a card that has to 'grow' on you- until you see how it might work after all- and a good concept (even if it has a bit too much text and the conditions are quite hard to meet). it's also rare to find a card for which i don't miss an effect @ superior, but that offers enough from the get-go. definitely not one of the best cards in the game, but it offers a lot of satisfaction when finally played to full effect (a second bleed @ +1 bleed & +1 stealth after burning that friggin' Carlton or so).

If i had to pick: Vamp: Gotsdam. He fits my playstyle very well. My other favs are iliana, because shes a great set of disciplines for 7, Anatole, because i love standing intercept and malks, and Roxanne, because ive been tryin to built a solid madness network wall with her for ages and aleays come up short of good...... oh, and Matthias. Hes great. But gotsdam is my favorite, period. Library: tough call. I love govern. I like deep song. I really like freak drive. But if i had to pick 1 library card that i like alot and im notorious for using, itd be 44 magnum. Cut one into some decks juat because ppl madexjokes about me doing just that. Also, i really like masochism. Alot. It just started going back into my tournament decks, because i started playing fortitude with dominate more again. Its not "free" blood, but it does help alot if you block alot and have cards that cost a blood here or there.

Army of Rats. I just love it and I can't really explain why. I always add one or more if I got at least 4 vampires with animalism in my crypt

> Zenedar wrote: > Army of Rats. I just love it and I can't really explain why. I always add one or more if I got at least 4 vampires with animalism in my crypt > Because it is sneaky pool damage. Rather nonthreatening and people commonly take quite a bit of damage before they realize their mistake. Mine is easy. Why? It kills prey.

> Zenedar wrote: > Army of Rats. I just love it and I can't really explain why. I always add one or more if I got at least 4 vampires with animalism in my crypt > I used to assure my playgroup things like " im playing army of rats, but dont worry, its only at inferior " Most of them got it. There was typically one dude on average asking "whats the superior do?" Then someone who was typically new er than him saying "there isnt one......." Good times.....

> Pagan wrote: > > > Zenedar wrote: > > Army of Rats. I just love it and I can't really explain why. I always add one or more if I got at least 4 vampires with animalism in my crypt > > > Because it is sneaky pool damage. Rather nonthreatening and people commonly take quite a bit of damage before they realize their mistake. > > Mine is easy. > > Why? It kills prey. > That dudes tags are expired....... Just sayin.

Rumble, awesome disciplinessles rush card. For vampire card I choose Jacko, my all time favorite. ---- Banging trashcans, breaking windows We'll wake you up tonight We like the good time, we scream and shout And that's what fun's about

Immortal Grapple. Real Men don't need Govern or Kine to oust their prey.

> Sibyl's Tongue > > [Action] Action > > [Malkavian antitribu] > > [X Blood] > > +1 stealth action. > This action costs X blood, where X is the number of Sibyl's Tongues in your ash heap. Choose a card by name. Search your library for a copy of that card, show it to all players, and move it to your hand. Discard down to your hand size and shuffle your library afterward. > Get 4 2-3 caps in a crypt, 8 Sibyl's Tongues, turn two and ask yourself, which powercard from your library do you want the most? That lone Info Highway, or Pentex? Perhaps a Secure Haven for that next vamp? B-) Sabbat. If this vampire's bleed is successful, he laughs manicly and untaps.

Burning wrath. Because Immortal Grapple does not convey the same feeling of turning opponents into space probes.

For library: Palla Grande is insane in a Tor anti deck with Embraces. For crypt getting Midget out first turn in Malk anti is always fun.

Flash. This card is great. It is versatile, and it costs nothing. It's great for vamps with ; it's great for vamps with . I like Celerity combat because it's fun. Ergo, I like Flash.

> AaronC wrote: > I like Celerity combat because it's fun. Ergo, I like Flash. > I like Celerity combat, but flash is mostly trash. Especially at superior. Resist Earth Grasp or Pursuit are way better. The first one is significantly more versatile and have allowed me to surprise oust more than one prey. The second one provide something way better than a press : an additional strike. To play Undead Strength then Burning wrath, for example. Just to make the message to my opponent more clear.

> Ohlmann wrote: > I like Celerity combat, but flash is mostly trash. > Well, thank you for telling us. I fell like my life has changed already. Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier

> Reyda wrote: > Well, thank you for telling us. I fell like my life has changed already. > I hope it didn't hurt. Last time my life had changed, I fell too from something like one story high, it was painful.

Preternatural Strength. Permatorn FTW. Crypt? Anatole is the best. I am death. Paul Kersey, Death Wish

> Ohlmann wrote: > > > Reyda wrote: > > Well, thank you for telling us. I fell like my life has changed already. > > > I hope it didn't hurt. Last time my life had changed, I fell too from something like one story high, it was painful. > You two should get it over with and have sex. Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

> KevinM wrote: > You two should get it over with and have sex. > No thanks: they would rant on the forum over each other's performance after.

> Non-existant user wrote: > > > KevinM wrote: > > You two should get it over with and have sex. > > > No thanks: they would rant on the forum over each other's performance after. > Actually I'd rather have sex with Kevin. I love the way he handles this rifle on his picture. Overcompensation ? Naaaah Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier

I am currently unemployed. Therefore: I will have sex with Reyda assuming that he pays me beforehand, lets me "handle" him, and he shows me some French technique as we go along. Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

Never paid for this kind of service, Never will. Sorry, greedy people & putting money before a relationship are big turn off for me. Better luck with someone else ! Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier

> Ohlmann wrote: > > > AaronC wrote: > > I like Celerity combat because it's fun. Ergo, I like Flash. > > > I like Celerity combat, but flash is mostly trash. > Thank goodness my bad opinion was not allowed to pass by without some deservedly harsh criticism. Oh, I get it - they whole purpose for posting to forums is the chance to criticize people anonymously! Thank goodness there are people (well, I assume Ohlmann is a person - absolutely the only thing I know about him(?) is that he(xe?) is French since he/xe cannot share any personal information about him/itself even in the message of a thread) like Ohlmann who can keep the internet forums heavy and unpleasant for the rest of us!!!! In other words: Ohlmann, you're awful, go away!

> AaronC wrote: > > > Ohlmann wrote: > > > > > AaronC wrote: > > > I like Celerity combat because it's fun. Ergo, I like Flash. > > > > > > > > I like Celerity combat, but flash is mostly trash. > > > Thank goodness my bad opinion was not allowed to pass by without some deservedly harsh criticism. > > Oh, I get it - they whole purpose for posting to forums is the chance to criticize people anonymously! Thank goodness there are people (well, I assume Ohlmann is a person - absolutely the only thing I know about him(?) is that he(xe?) is French since he/xe cannot share any personal information about him/itself even in the message of a thread) like Ohlmann who can keep the internet forums heavy and unpleasant for the rest of us!!!! > > In other words: Ohlmann, you're awful, go away! > He cant. If he did, Reyda would be too happy and such, the universe doesnt allow such things. I dont think hes french. There would have been a knife fight between himself and Reyda by now if that were the case. I thinl he posts from a secret lair on the moon or in a volcano. Like a supervillain.

> Charles_Bronson wrote: > Preternatural Strength. Permatorn FTW. > > Crypt? Anatole is the best. > But Anatole cannot play Preternatural Strength, which makes him not so great by default.

Anatole punches with flamethrowers and or rotshreck, so the preturnatural isnt an issue for him

I'm with Aaron on this one. Flash is a great card! And Ohlmann is an inconsiderate jerk. I am hard pressed to chose between "Flash" and "Swallowed by the Night" as my favorite card. But really, I wouldn't like either of those half as much if it weren't for ".44 Magnum" or "White Phosphorus Grenade." Independent Futurist. Contrarian (titled, X votes where X is the number of votes as the acting minion.) Target Vitals is always the better combat card.

> direwolf wrote: > I'm with Aaron on this one. Flash is a great card! And Ohlmann is an inconsiderate jerk. > > I am hard pressed to chose between "Flash" and "Swallowed by the Night" as my favorite card. But really, I wouldn't like either of those half as much if it weren't for ".44 Magnum" or "White Phosphorus Grenade." > Sbtn is loads better than flash. I run flash sometimes, but only one. Pursuit is better. Always. If i run celerity, i probably run big celerity if i use it for combat. If i only have little, im using it for forced march and or diversion. Big celerity has pursuit for manuever or an additional, both useful in cel combat more so than a press, and psyche, which, if i want to press, psyche has, in addition to stoppimg sce. And blur normally rounds out my celerity combat paxkages. Celerity guns and pot cel have better ways to press, and would like something else more than flash. And basic cel sucks, since it cant even use the 4th cel combat card i use and like, sideslip, at its optimal fumction. Ive never drawn flash and wanted flash, ive always wanted pursuit or psuche. Same with fast hands, so i stopped running more than one of either, ever. BUT sbtn is amazing, and loads of decks can use it, and should. I use it in pot malks, cock robin decks, any malks with obf, assamites,........ lots of solid things. Great card.

Yeah but Swallowed by the Night doesn't allow you to make bad references to old movie super-heroes... Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418

True, but when im in the mood for that, i run Immemse Size and quote Apache Chief from superfriends...

Well, we still have almost everyone in the game go "Aaaaaaaaahhh" when someone plays a flash... so I dunno... I think Flash wins over Swallowed by the Night... Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418

Neither Flash nor Pursuit is any good ... I have zero copies of either in the TWDA. Obviously, Mercury's Arrow is the best Celerity maneuver card. Favorite? I think I'd have to go with Telepathic Misdirection. I'm completely a counterpuncher in personality. Favorite card to have in play? The Barrens. While I still play TM all of the time but not TB, so TM is more favoriter, TB is just so charming in play, always giving hope that you can tap to Archon Investigate someone (which I've done in a tournament) or whatnot. Traveller Card Game

> ReverendRevolver wrote: > True, but when im in the mood for that, i run Immemse Size and quote Apache Chief from superfriends... > INEHK CHOH!!!! Rev, I thought I was the Only one!

Whether a card is "good" or "bad" is irrelevant to the question posed by the original poster. It is perfectly reasonable to like a card because it is fun, but not effective. It is also okay to like a workhorse card like Lost in Crowds or Bonding. This is an exercise. How you answer the question indicates something about your personality or how you think. When you try to invalidate someone's preference for a card by saying it's a terrible card you are telling us that you are an argumentative individual, with little respect for others' opinions and you contribute nothing worthwhile to the conversation. @ReverendRevolver: Flash and Swallowed by the Night are apples and oranges. The main reason I like both of them is that I like the Toreador and Malkavians, and I use them to frustrate my brother who plays Tremere. NO WALK OF FLAME 4 U. Independent Futurist. Contrarian (titled, X votes where X is the number of votes as the acting minion.) Target Vitals is always the better combat card.

I see flash both defensive and offensive, where pursuit is mainly offensive. In cel guns, flash and .44 is comparable to pursuit and .44 when no other cards are involved. edit: except that flash is always more versatile than pursuit. ---- Banging trashcans, breaking windows We'll wake you up tonight We like the good time, we scream and shout And that's what fun's about

> TorranceCircle wrote: > Rev, I thought I was the Only one! > I hope you didn't miss this great movie then: www.imdb.com/title/tt1637725/

> Juggernaut1981 wrote: > Yeah but Swallowed by the Night doesn't allow you to make bad references to old movie super-heroes... > I do the same, but with Karsh. Because he does torpor everyone of us.

Flash is also almost the only celerity card that is any good at . As for my favourite card... Nocturn is absolutely lovely. Love them to bits. Works just as well on inferior, provides annoyance, bleed, chump blocking, and whatever else that is needed.

My favorite cards ares actually a set of cards : Everything labelled with Flight is very good in my opinion. And they combo well together to boot Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier

My favorite card is Pentex Subversion, because it allows for decks without stealth to win; it safes us from Fatima or Karsh destroying tables all the time; it puts more player interaction in the game (by using it or contesting); it saves us from Anneke or No Secrets "you can't play VtES" and it is a well balanced card.

> Lemminkäinen wrote: > Flash is also almost the only celerity card that is any good at . > > As for my favourite card... Nocturn is absolutely lovely. Love them to bits. Works just as well on inferior, provides annoyance, bleed, chump blocking, and whatever else that is needed. > To be fair, the list of playable basic cel is very short. Shorter by the two beat cards if you eliminate forced march and diversion, on accountcof they arent just cel. But, Blockturns are way more versatile than people give them credit for. (Unmasking plus nocturn angers many decks.) I just always pack extra masters....... tension makes them expensive.

Something I have to mention. In keepers of tradition, 8-caps were printed with all in-clans at superior and one out of clan discipline at superior. Specifically, Eugene and Randall are very nice vampires. I'm not sure if other clans recieved these same type of vamps, but these would be a good addition to many of the clans in VtES. I was inspired to make decks with Eugene and Randall as the foundation. I then built around them. They are not superstar decks but the idea from the decks came from the disciplines at superior: 3 in-clan, 1 out-of-clan.

It's definitively Dummy Corporation in my opinion (so good it was nearly banned when Guillaume Giovanni was released). Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> Dracula wrote: > Favorite card and why? > Eye of Unforgiving Heaven Because it is Unforgiving.

I must confess, I am shocked and appalled at how little love Gratiano is getting. He will come and murder you all as you sleep, you ungrateful wretches.

After some time for pondering, presenting my favorite card : Govern the Unaligned. Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier

> Reyda wrote: > After some time for pondering, presenting my favorite card : Govern the Unaligned. > I like the new artwork on that. Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one. -Friedrich Nietzsche brandonsantacruz.blogspot.com/

yeah, the idea behind it is great one of my favs is probably disarm (in combination with chandice/ anaesthetic touch / stutterstep / mary anne blaire or antonio and a single prevention card (that ll make 'em think when you recruit your next nephandus) / flak jacket/ or whatever easy combination to torporize and have a snack! but then I also like a lot of powerful cards that aren't obvious like hide the heart, babble, etc etc vampires is even more difficult: masika (obvious ... untap untap untap clan impersonation madness network), matthias (what can he not... steal/bleed/bounce/combat/ ... infinte, agaitas (the master of fun deck in combination with matthias/kanimana/ira winters or huitzlipochtli), chaundice (prevent 2 and 2 ... i made a unkillable wall with him, going down to 1 or 2 pool and drive people insane because they couldn't finish me - ) & lorrie (with some creativity she is aw-esome) are probably top 5

> gotcha wrote: > yeah, the idea behind it is great > I'll let her know Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier

Reyda, you dirty ol' man... Like the idea for the picture wasn't yours all along Finnish Politics!

> Lönkka wrote: > Reyda, you dirty ol' man... > Like the idea for the picture wasn't yours all along > I dunno, he origionally said he liked things with flight..........

Now my favorite vampire is Paul Cordwood. and free +1 stealth kicks ass.

> Non-existant user wrote: > Now my favorite vampire is Paul Cordwood. and free +1 stealth kicks ass. > It's not only that, you even get +1 intercept if you need it. He IS awesome indeed. Baron of Frankfurt

The card I've had the most fun playing with is probably Blissful Agony. It's not only because it's fun to send your predator's vampire in combat with your prey's (especially if you have a Frenzy in hand or if one of the parties is named Lorrie D. or Enkidu or Shambling Horde), it's also a versatile card that can be used to counter S:CE (blocking), or as a Combat Ends that prevents Psyche!s, or you can even play it at inferior sometimes if you happen to play around traps+armor.

I on the other hand have had most fun playing with Molotov Cocktails so I'd say off head that it must be my favorite card Finnish Politics!

Perfectionist. Overall best archetype for most decks (but not all obviously). Great synergy with poolgain cards such as Blood doll/Vessel/Villein and allows you to stay in tiptop shape. I find myself including this card in far too many decks.

Yeah, Perfectionist is so much more versatile than any of the other archetypes that it so very often is hands down the best option. It kinda makes the other archetypes redundant. Finnish Politics!

> Lönkka wrote: > Yeah, Perfectionist is so much more versatile than any of the other archetypes that it so very often is hands down the best option. > > It kinda makes the other archetypes redundant. > Well, I love Monster, but it is for certain decks only. Perfectionist can go into many many decks, and make them better

> Pendargon wrote: > > > Lönkka wrote: > > Yeah, Perfectionist is so much more versatile than any of the other archetypes that it so very often is hands down the best option. > > > > It kinda makes the other archetypes redundant. > > > Well, I love Monster, but it is for certain decks only. Perfectionist can go into many many decks, and make them better > Thats the problem, monster is the only archetype other than maybe cavalier(in a gimmick deck only) thats ever better than perfectionist. MAYBE bravo beats perfectionist if everyone blocks or tries to block your ruah deck, but monster is better for those anyway. Most archetypes suck, because perfectionist has the simplest trigger, is often fulfilled, and can go on anyone. Monster is a step in the right dirextion, as is dabbler, but most archetypes are strictly worse than perfectionist.

> ReverendRevolver wrote: > Monster is a step in the right dirextion, as is dabbler, but most archetypes are strictly worse than perfectionist. > Perfectionist should not have allowed action modifiers either.

> Pendargon wrote: > > > Lönkka wrote: > > Yeah, Perfectionist is so much more versatile than any of the other archetypes that it so very often is hands down the best option. > > > > It kinda makes the other archetypes redundant. > > > Well, I love Monster, but it is for certain decks only. Perfectionist can go into many many decks, and make them better > Capitalist is good for Sabbat bleed decks. Guru is OK for Sabbat vote decks. If you don't have enough copies of perfectionist, these are usable.

Beast prefers Sociopath to Monster. What is he going to do with his second action anyway? Bleed for 1? Blood gain is crucial to keep going.

Well-Aimed Car because in my first tournament ever Dre, Leader of the Cold Dawn used one to burn a War Ghoul. Jussi Hattara Webmaster Extraordinaire Finnish Politics!

> Non-existant user wrote: > Beast prefers Sociopath to Monster. What is he going to do with his second action anyway? Bleed for 1? Blood gain is crucial to keep going. > Yes, But Fatima, Hektor, Thetmes, Karsh, Lazverinus, Hardestadt and many other cool dudes prefer a monster by their side when they go to town for their usual beer&barbrawl night out B-)

> Pendargon wrote: > > > Non-existant user wrote: > > Beast prefers Sociopath to Monster. What is he going to do with his second action anyway? Bleed for 1? Blood gain is crucial to keep going. > > > Yes, But Fatima, Hektor, Thetmes, Karsh, Lazverinus, Hardestadt and many other cool dudes prefer a monster by their side when they go to town for their usual beer&barbrawl night out B-) > Yes, burn a blood for more hurtin is always fun...... You forgot Germaine and the very hungry Ariadne......

> Non-existant user wrote: > Beast prefers Sociopath to Monster. What is he going to do with his second action anyway? Bleed for 1? Blood gain is crucial to keep going. > Haven Uncovered Baby !! If you have to rush, rush ! don't talk... Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier

library: Carrion Crows, u can't go wrong with that. crypt: Eze. He is the demon prince, right?

Eze is cool! But not as cool as your AVATAR!!!!!

Library card: TORN SIGNPOST. why? Well, in combat POT decks they are a staple and it always makes me laugh that the vampires are wandering the street ripping down all the signposts they can find just to beat up another vampire. They just stop by the local Signs-R-us. You think that the Civil authorities would eventually stop replacing them for think of the budget to replace. Crypt card: Bartholomew. why? Well, he is a Kysiad and that is creepy enough, second his ability to gain 1 pool works even if he is in torpor. He is one of the few vampires that can use an ability while under. James D Burns Prince of Dupont(wilkes Barre)PA

Vampire: Unre Reason: She can fight, destroy allies, gets perm intercepts, a title (believe it or not, her bishop title once in a while does come in handy), +1 bleed, and oh yeah, she does have basic dominate, which allows her to bleed with someone else's favorite, Govern. Library: Wider View Reason: Ever build a deck with 4-5 copies of your main vamp and doesn't come out the first time or worse, fish for one and still? This card solves that problem. Ever become less threatening on the table with lesser pool but then when you're borderline ousted, you can burn off at least 2 of them to gain at least 4 pool? Get busy living or get busy dying ----Andy Dufresne

> James wrote: > Library: Wider View > SNIP Ever become less threatening on the table with lesser pool but then when you're borderline ousted, you can burn off at least 2 of them to gain at least 4 pool? > Burning several at one go is kinda hard as it takes 4 transfers to burn one. Also you actually gain just 1 pool per WV since the cost of the card is 1 pool which you've already invested for the card. But yeah, I totally agree, WV is an awesome card and I usually add at least one in any deck. More if it is a star deck. Finnish Politics!

Library: Elder Kindred Network - Unfortunately my playgroup has acclimated to my use of this card, so I don't oust with it as much anymore. But to those who aren't used it, my victims find that no amount of pool will save them. Call the Great Beast - Because that's when the fun begins... Crypt: So many I couldn't possibly decide. My current favorate is probably Helena.