Influence phase. There's a vampire in an uncontrolled region with 3 counters of blood, the active Matusalen place 2 fingers on two blood counters and drag the counters into his pool, and, without releasing the fingers from the counters, after the comment from another player, this active Matusalem return this two counters to the uncontrolled vampire.
Is this legal?
Or is assumed that the active matusalem has already spent the four tranfers and can not return the blood to the vampire?
After this movement of counters, has the active Matusalem spend any transfer?
Thanks
There is no rule of "pool touched, pool played" in VtES. It may be seen as bad form, but as long as he didn't finish his turn or discarded a card, I would let him be. He don't have gained any information before changing his choice.
If he had used a discard action, thing would be different.
> Glinlos wrote:
> Influence phase. There's a vampire in an uncontrolled region with 3 counters of blood, the active Matusalen place 2 fingers on two blood counters and drag the counters into his pool, and, without releasing the fingers from the counters, after the comment from another player, this active Matusalem return this two counters to the uncontrolled vampire.
> Is this legal?
>
Up to the judge.
>
> Glinlos wrote:
> Or is assumed that the active matusalem has already spent the four tranfers and can not return the blood to the vampire?
> After this movement of counters, has the active Matusalem spend any transfer?
>
> Thanks
>
Depending on the tournament level, and pre-tournament announcements, I might judge this differently.
Rule of thumb: make it clear before an event what "Move transfers" implies:
- counters are moved when they reach a card
- counters are moved when they are released on a card
- counters are moved when the Methuselah says so
etc.
How about the FUN level?
I suggest playing VTES and not Magic and realizing that there is absolutely nothing at stake -- no money, no prizes of any value -- and just having fun.
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> KevinM wrote:
> How about the FUN level?
>
> I suggest playing VTES and not Magic and realizing that there is absolutely nothing at stake -- no money, no prizes of any value -- and just having fun.
>
Some people find more fun in actually have no rollback for that kind of stuff. It's more common on chess players, but it's more important for people agreeing with the rule on thoses case than taking a lax approach.
> Glinlos wrote:
> Tounament level: The final on a Spanish European Qualifier
>
The Touch-move rule doesn't exist in V:tES. I would go with the "Release counter means decision is taken" way at this level of tournament.
Im inclined to agree with Kevin on this, regardless if its a tournament have fun with the game and your fellow players. He hasn't changed phases yet, so for me its not a big deal. If he had ended his turn and its on the other players turn then its totally different.
If I were a judge, i'd say it's ok to rearrange counters : No cards were flipped, the influence phase was not over, so the player can still change his mind. But be careful next time...
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> Pascal wrote:
> The Touch-move rule doesn't exist in V:tES. I would go with the "Release counter means decision is taken" way at this level of tournament.
>
I think the clearest way would be to make everybody announce what they are doing. It's pretty difficult to flip a crypt card face up without either moving the counters off first or having them fly all over the place Then again, maybe that just adds an extra layer of skill to the game, huh?