Toreador grand ball. what if we burn the vampire who is the host?

Toreador Grand Ball Master. Put this card in play. Choose 2 ready Toreador you control. The first Toreador's non-bleed actions cannot be blocked. The second Toreador does not untap as normal during the untap phase; tap the second Toreador. Any minion may burn this card as a action; Nosferatu get -1 stealth when attempting that action. Clarification: The same vampire can serve as the "second Toreador" for multiple Toreador Grand Balls. [TOM 19960528] Ruling: The first Toreador chosen for the Toreador Grand Ball is unblockable on all actions except bleed actions. This remains true even after the vampire attempts a bleed. _________________________________________________________________ Question: What happens if the second toreador (Who is "hosting" the ball, the tapped one) is burned? (from combat or whatever) Does the Ball leaves play? Or the "Toreador Grand Ball" is acting on its own? After the "Toreador Grand Ball" entered play, is it depend on the second vampire or not?

> AriusZet wrote: > Toreador Grand Ball > Master. > Put this card in play. Choose 2 ready Toreador you control. The first Toreador's non-bleed actions cannot be blocked. The second Toreador does not untap as normal during the untap phase; tap the second Toreador. Any minion may burn this card as a action; Nosferatu get -1 stealth when attempting that action. > > Clarification: The same vampire can serve as the "second Toreador" for multiple Toreador Grand Balls. [TOM 19960528] > Ruling: The first Toreador chosen for the Toreador Grand Ball is unblockable on all actions except bleed actions. This remains true even after the vampire attempts a bleed. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Question: What happens if the second toreador (Who is "hosting" the ball, the tapped one) is burned? (from combat or whatever) > The crypt card is moved to the ash heap. Burn pool to Tension in the Ranks. Nothing happens regarding the Toreador Grand Ball. > AriusZet wrote: > Does the Ball leaves play? > No, as nothing would trigger this. > > AriusZet wrote: > Or the "Toreador Grand Ball" is acting on its own? > It is always so. Toreador Grand Ball isn't on any minion, so, unless explicit cardtext (which isn't here), it is unaffected by the burning of the minion chosen when it was played. > > AriusZet wrote: > After the "Toreador Grand Ball" entered play, is it depend on the second vampire or not? > No. It is also not "dependent" on the first vampire - if the unblockable vampire is burned, the second vampire (the tapped one) still won't untap. And both effects last as long as the Grand Ball is in play.

> AriusZet wrote: > Toreador Grand Ball > Master. > Put this card in play. Choose 2 ready Toreador you control. The first Toreador's non-bleed actions cannot be blocked. The second Toreador does not untap as normal during the untap phase; tap the second Toreador. Any minion may burn this card as a action; Nosferatu get -1 stealth when attempting that action. > > Clarification: The same vampire can serve as the "second Toreador" for multiple Toreador Grand Balls. [TOM 19960528] > Ruling: The first Toreador chosen for the Toreador Grand Ball is unblockable on all actions except bleed actions. This remains true even after the vampire attempts a bleed. > _________________________________________________________________ > > Question: What happens if the second toreador (Who is "hosting" the ball, the tapped one) is burned? (from combat or whatever) > > Does the Ball leaves play? > No, nothing says so. > > Or the "Toreador Grand Ball" is acting on its own? > While in play, the TGB stays active. > > After the "Toreador Grand Ball" entered play, is it depend on the second vampire or not? > It keeps on preventing the second vampire from untapping as normal (if the vampire is still there). Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> AriusZet wrote: > Question: What happens if the second toreador (Who is "hosting" the ball, the tapped one) is burned? (from combat or whatever) > Nothing changes. > Does the Ball leaves play? > No. > Or the "Toreador Grand Ball" is acting on its own? > Yes. > After the "Toreador Grand Ball" entered play, is it depend on the second vampire or not? > Not exactly. Both Toreador get an effect from TGB. The first one gets the effect "non-bleed actions cannot be blocked." The second one gets "does not untap as normal." If the second Toreador is no longer in play for some reason, it still gets the effect, even though it is moot. When you are anvil, be patient; when a hammer, strike. pckvtes.wordpress.com @pckvtes

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Wait... Lets say i have out fahd, eugene, anabel triabel, and madame guil, and fahd has 2 tgb tapping him, maki.g guil and anabel unblockable. I play villeinl for 3, on fahd, and another tgb, tapping fahd making eugene unblockable. I then force o will bleed with fahd and dare the dawn. Does he stay tapped in my ash heap?

> ReverendRevolver wrote: > Wait... > Lets say i have out fahd, eugene, anabel triabel, and madame guil, and fahd has 2 tgb tapping him, maki.g guil and anabel unblockable. I play villeinl for 3, on fahd, and another tgb, tapping fahd making eugene unblockable. I then force o will bleed with fahd and dare the dawn. > > Does he stay tapped in my ash heap? > Cards in ash heap are neither tapped nor untapped. Jussi Hattara Webmaster Extraordinaire Finnish Politics!

> ReverendRevolver wrote: > Wait... > Does he stay tapped in my ash heap? > Sure (Joke. i get it.) But if you use 3 toreador, 3 TGB on each other (select 1 to tap for two TGB, 1 for other, so you have 2 vampire that doesn't untap as normal, and all 3 unblockable. So if one of the tapped is an infernal (there is one infernal toreador as i recall) and the other equips with a helicopter, you can untaqp all 3 (1 from helicopter, 1for 1pool as infernal, and 1 as normal) (((But Enkidu will still beat them to to pieces with yawp court, f.e. if they try to vote)))

> AriusZet wrote: > > > ReverendRevolver wrote: > > Wait... > > Does he stay tapped in my ash heap? > > > Sure (Joke. i get it.) > > But if you use 3 toreador, 3 TGB on each other (select 1 to tap for two TGB, 1 for other, so you have 2 vampire that doesn't untap as normal, and all 3 unblockable. > So if one of the tapped is an infernal (there is one infernal toreador as i recall) and the other equips with a helicopter, you can untaqp all 3 (1 from helicopter, 1for 1pool as infernal, and 1 as normal) > > (((But Enkidu will still beat them to to pieces with yawp court, f.e. if they try to vote))) > Pfffft. Who votes with torries anymore? I thought they were for extra mpas now. I contest anson in my oldest comvat deck, princes 2nd trad, guns, celerity, with jokers who cry to the bteam of volker, marcelous, and jimmy dunn or parmeneides. Oh, and Enky only has little fortitude. Hes squishy.