Hi all, this is a simple question:
if my minion A employs a retainer with Inferior Discipline and later on passes the retainer to my minion B and minion B has the Superior version of the Discipline, do I use the retainer following the Sup or Inf text?
Thank you for answering
How I understand, if the effect is defined when employing, it does not change effect when moving in whatever means you do it.
Usually restrictions of usage are listed sepparately, for example:
Enchanted Marionette
[Equipment] Equipment
Malkavian antitribu
[3 Pool]
Unique equipment.
The Malkavian antitribu with this equipment gets +1 bleed and +1 stealth when bleeding.
I requires !Malk to equip it AND !Malk to use it, hence even if you steal it with diablerie or other means, you can't use it if the vamp is not !Malk
Sabbat. If this vampire's bleed is successful, he laughs manicly and untaps.
> ViniFace wrote:
> Hi all, this is a simple question:
> if my minion A employs a retainer with Inferior Discipline and later on passes the retainer to my minion B and minion B has the Superior version of the Discipline, do I use the retainer following the Sup or Inf text?
>
> Thank you for answering
>
The discipline level of a retainer is set at the time the action is declared and does not change regardless of the discipline level of the vampire who has the retainer.
By the way, there is no inherent mechanic in the game for one minion to "pass" a retainer to another minion. There are cards that can cause the owner of a retainer to change (e.g., Heidelberg Castle, Far Mastery, Virgil, Shepherd's Innocence), but this is not an inherent power of minions. Minions can take equipment from other minions with the same controller, but not retainers, and a vampire does not get the retainers of another vampire it diablerizes. You may know all this already, but it sounds like you may have a confusion.
I'll be more specific on the case:
Cynthia Ingold (ani SPI) plays Muricia's Call (spi ani) to employ Raptor and at this point Cynthia gets +1 intercept.
Later on I tap Heidelberg Castle and pass Raptor to Muricia.
What now? just +1 cept or hand size effect too?
Thank you
> ViniFace wrote:
> I'll be more specific on the case:
>
> Cynthia Ingold (ani SPI) plays Muricia's Call (spi ani) to employ Raptor and at this point Cynthia gets +1 intercept.
> Later on I tap Heidelberg Castle and pass Raptor to Muricia.
> What now? just +1 cept or hand size effect too?
>
> Thank you
>
Just +1 intercept. The retainer's abilities are set by the initial employer, and will never change, even if moved by Heidelberg.
Correct answers given by from everyone. Nice catch, Klaital!
The level of a retainer / equipment / ally is determined when that card is played, and not by the level of discipline (or the clan, should that ever matter) of the bearer / employer.