Does an action that results in combat wherein the opposing vampire is diablerized via Amaranth count as a Diablerie Action?
Rebirth
[Action Modifier] Action Modifier
Requires a Red List minion. Only usable when a diablerie action is successful.
No blood hunt may be called, and this vampire untaps. A vampire can play only one Rebirth each turn.
> Loughman wrote:
> Does an action that results in combat wherein the opposing vampire is diablerized via Amaranth count as a Diablerie Action?
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Not unless it was a diablerie action in the begining. Playing Amaranth doesn't make it so - a blocked bleed action would remain a bleed action.
> Loughman wrote:
> Rebirth
> [Action Modifier] Action Modifier
> Requires a Red List minion. Only usable when a diablerie action is successful.
> No blood hunt may be called, and this vampire untaps. A vampire can play only one Rebirth each turn.
>
Rebirth also isn't usable on Amaranth at all: Rebirth is an action modifier, which can't be played in combat, whereas Amaranth's diablerie occurs as part of the combat.
> Loughman wrote:
> Does an action that results in combat wherein the opposing vampire is diablerized via Amaranth count as a Diablerie Action?
>
No, unless the action that was blocked was a diablerie action. But even in that case, you can't play Rebirth because it was then an unsuccessful diablerie action (it was blocked).
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made me thinking.
If i have a red list minion, and one of my other minions is performing a diablerie action, can my other(the red list) minion plays rebirth in favor of the diablerist? (like when he helps the other vampire with cloak the gathering, philip, etc) (the redlist guy also untaps)
"Only usable when a diablerie action is successful". Can i even help a vampire controlled by other metuselah?
Nope, because the red list minion is not the acting minion. Cloaks, etc. have explicit staements, that they are useable "by a <...> vampire other than the acting minion", whereas Rebirth does not have this.
Sabbat. If this vampire's bleed is successful, he laughs manicly and untaps.
> Ankha wrote:
> No, unless the action that was blocked was a diablerie action. But even in that case, you can't play Rebirth because it was then an unsuccessful diablerie action (it was blocked).
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Just to be sure, can I use a hand strike, Form of mist to continue action, disarm + amaranth to diablerize the blocker ?
If I do that, I still cannot use Rebirth because the action is neither successful nor unsuccesful yet, right ?
> Ohlmann wrote:
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> > Ankha wrote:
> > No, unless the action that was blocked was a diablerie action. But even in that case, you can't play Rebirth because it was then an unsuccessful diablerie action (it was blocked).
> >
> Just to be sure, can I use a hand strike, Form of mist to continue action, disarm + amaranth to diablerize the blocker ?
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> If I do that, I still cannot use Rebirth because the action is neither successful nor unsuccesful yet, right ?
>
according to the statements above, no, since the action wasn't a dieblerie action to begin with.
But still, you can use "Gangrel conspiracy" for example to cancel the blood hunt
> AriusZet wrote:
> made me thinking.
>
> If i have a red list minion, and one of my other minions is performing a diablerie action, can my other(the red list) minion plays rebirth in favor of the diablerist? (like when he helps the other vampire with cloak the gathering, philip, etc) (the redlist guy also untaps)
>
> "Only usable when a diablerie action is successful". Can i even help a vampire controlled by other metuselah?
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No. Action modifiers can only be played by the acting minion.
Rulebook 1.6.3.2 wrote:
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> Action modifier cards: The acting minion can play these cards to modify his action.
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But, yes, you could play Gangrel Conspiracy.
> Ohlmann wrote:
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> > Ankha wrote:
> > No, unless the action that was blocked was a diablerie action. But even in that case, you can't play Rebirth because it was then an unsuccessful diablerie action (it was blocked).
> >
> Just to be sure, can I use a hand strike, Form of mist to continue action, disarm + amaranth to diablerize the blocker ?
>
Yes, you could do that. The action wouldn't continue, though.
That's one of LSJ's "weird" rulings.
General Rulings wrote:
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> Performing diablerie (via Amaranth) at the end of the combat that is ended by a "combat ends and the action continues as if unblocked" effect will nullify the "continue action" part. [LSJ 19980819]
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> Ohlmann wrote:
> If I do that, I still cannot use Rebirth because the action is neither successful nor unsuccesful yet, right ?
>
Well, the action is over after the combat, and considered blocked (and unsuccessful). Diablerie in combat basically "terminates" the action.