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Submission - Favored One (versatile minion protection master card)

11 messages from 5 participants · 07 January 2013 – 08 January 2013 · vekn.net/forum
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Ankha

Name: Favored One Cardtype: Master Master. While not in play, this card counts as a master: Discipline card. Put this card on a non-mortal minion you control, burn 1 pool and choose one: playing master cards on (or that targets) this minion costs other Methuselahs 2 additional pool; or contesting this minion cost other Methuselahs 1 additional pool (even when this card is out of play); or you may burn this card to cancel an effect that would change control of this ally. Art notes: A vampire of overwhelming appearance surrounded by an aura of flames. The vampire has a brand made of light on his forehead. World of Darkness reference: Through their blood, Methuselahs can grant lesser minions great capacities; their grasp on them is stronger. Game references: Secure Haven, Democritus. How does this card address a compelling game need?At the cost of a master slot, this card can be used to protect a key minion against other's Methuselah's threats. The first effect will make Pentex Subversion, Fame, Haven Uncovered, Temptation of Greater Power and Archon Investigation among others harder to play on the minion. The second effect will give the Methuselah an edge when his or her star vampire is contested. The last effect will mostly protect a key ally against theft. Making it a discipline while not in play allow to get it with effects that search the library, ash heap or hand for disciplines (such as diablerie, Lilith's Blessing, Path of the Dead and the Soul etc.) while not being a real discipline (Alu won't get a blood etc.) Created by: Ankha Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Ohlmann

Why 'burn 1 pool and choose one' and not a pool cost of 1 ? I am not sold about a card that make interacting with your minion less easy, especially when you can fetch it with Lillith, and especially when it affect mainly card that allow oust. Still, making your minion a bit more resistant is not a bad idea per see. For example, it help relying on an unique ally easier, which is currently very risky.

Ankha

> Ohlmann wrote: > Why 'burn 1 pool and choose one' and not a pool cost of 1 ? > Because you don't pay cost when fetching a discipline card through diablerie or with Lilith's Blessing. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Juggernaut1981

Once it is in play, how is anyone else going to keep track of which effect it is using? Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418

Ohlmann

> Juggernaut1981 wrote: > Once it is in play, how is anyone else going to keep track of which effect it is using? > The same way as Spontaneous Power.

AaronC

polyvalent = versatile (en anglais)

Juggernaut1981

1) Master: Discipline So why in fudge is it a Master:Discipline when it isn't in play? Is it JUST so you can use Lilith's on it? Isn't Lilith's one of the cards people are complaining about as potentially being broken? 2) Metagame Scissors/Paper/Rock/Lizard/Spock This seems to exist to combat a problem in your meta. Not because the game needs it particularly. It seems primarily intended to protect a big-cap star. I've seen enough unstoppable star-type decks, why do we need to remove their weaknesses. Almost as nuts as printing Charismatic Aura. Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418

Ankha

> Juggernaut1981 wrote: > 1) Master: Discipline > > So why in fudge is it a Master:Discipline when it isn't in play? > Is it JUST so you can use Lilith's on it? > Isn't Lilith's one of the cards people are complaining about as potentially being broken? > Yeah, discipline cards should be banned because of Lilith's Blessing. Or maybe this card has nothing to do with LB's being balanced or not. > Juggernaut1981 wrote: > 2) Metagame Scissors/Paper/Rock/Lizard/Spock > This seems to exist to combat a problem in your meta. > I never design cards considering a metagame (and I'll probably be the one playing combat anyway...) Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Ohlmann

> Ankha wrote: > Or maybe this card has nothing to do with LB's being balanced or not. > This card has something to do, since it make LB even more powerful, allowing you to fetch a protection for your minion in the same go. In other words, the discipline schtik is cool, but this card have the condition "Lillith Blessing is banned" before it can ever be edited.

Ankha

> Ohlmann wrote: > > > Ankha wrote: > > Or maybe this card has nothing to do with LB's being balanced or not. > > > This card has something to do, since it make LB even more powerful, allowing you to fetch a protection for your minion in the same go. > > In other words, the discipline schtik is cool, but this card have the condition "Lillith Blessing is banned" before it can ever be edited. > Maybe, but it's not my call. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Boris The Blade

Keep it simple. That card has no reason to be a discipline and no reason not to have a standard cost. Breaking the rules just for the sake of it does not make good design.