I was wondering if employing a retainer via The Summoning waives the requirement for the minion in question to have a discipline normally required by the retainer.
For example, can a minion with PRE but without ANI use the card to get a Wolf Companion?
My gut instinct is "no" but then I found this under Retainers in General Rulings, which seems to imply "yes" (with the caveat noted).
"If a retainer which requires a Discipline to be employed is brought into play by a means other than "Employ Retainer", treat it as if it were brought into play with the basic version of the Discipline. [RTR 19960221]"
Thanks
You can't employ a retainer with The Summoning. You can only search for one at basic. It would certainly be nice to be able to employ a retainer with it, but you can't.
If you mean "Can you recruit an ally whose requirements you don't meet?", someone else will have to answer that.
Summoning, The
+1 stealth action.
Search your library for an ally or retainer. Show it to all players and put it in your hand (shuffle and discard afterward).
Search your library for an ally. This vampire recruits that ally (requirements and cost apply as normal). Shuffle afterward.
> AaronC wrote:
> This vampire recruits that ally (requirements and cost apply as normal). Shuffle afterward.
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This part explain that :
* requirements are not waived
* if the ally need a discipline (Underbridge stray, for example), then the level of the discipline on the vampire is applied to the ally.
> chrisinpm wrote:
> I was wondering if employing a retainer via The Summoning waives the requirement for the minion in question to have a discipline normally required by the retainer.
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The summoning at superior says "requirements and cost still apply". This means, among other things, if a discipline is required, you must have it to recruit the ally. Also, as was mentiond, you can not employ a retainer with the summoning.
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> chrisinpm wrote:
> "If a retainer which requires a Discipline to be employed is brought into play by a means other than "Employ Retainer", treat it as if it were brought into play with the basic version of the Discipline. [RTR 19960221]".
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An example of this is seen with compel the spirit. If you used this card at superior on Underbridge Stray it would be put into your ready region using the basic level of the discipline. Likewise, if you put Wolf Companion, Raven Spy, or Raptor into play using compel the spirit they would all be at the basic level. Notice Compel the Spirit says "Ignore requirements and costs" also.
Compel the Spirit
Action
Necromancy
+1 stealth action.
Move an ally or retainer that was burned from play since your last turn from your ash heap to your hand.
As above, but move it to your ready region (ignore requirements and cost) with X life from the blood bank, where X is the starting life of the ally or retainer. If it is a retainer, place it on the acting minion.
The important part is the verb "recruit".
If you recruit, you must follow all the rule of the recruiting action, including having the discipline and all.
If you put into play (with Summon History or Compel the Spirit), then you don't need to have the requirement, and if the ally require a discipline, you have the inferior version.
(please note that if, say, Gwyedd use Summon history to put into play an Underbridge stray, he will have the inferior version. You can't have the superior version if you don't recruit the ally or employ the retainer)
> AaronC wrote:
> Actually, it is a dumb question, because the answer is in the card text.
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Well, it's better to ask that kind of question than making an error. It's not like it waste a lot of time to answer to that.
Really? Because you spent quite a lot of time on it - two posts in fact. And here's another one you're making, your 1,353rd on this forum.
The OP asked about the requirements for employing a retainer using The Summoning, and that isn't even possible according to the text of The Summoning. It is a stupid question, which the OP admitted. We then got some long lectures about recruiting an ally in an unconventional way, which, again, was not the original question. I don't always hold it against people when they ask stupid questions, but let's not pretend a question is not stupid when it is.
We all ask stupid questions sometimes, then we move on.
actually, on the french forum we require that the poster copy-paste the current card text of the incriminated cards at the end of the post. I bet a lot of posts are avoided just by realizing 'the answer is there waiting to be read'
but yes, reading the card thoroughly first, and then asking is the way to go
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> AaronC wrote:
> The OP asked about the requirements for employing a retainer using The Summoning, and that isn't even possible according to the text of The Summoning.
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Ah, yes. My bad. After reading the huge chunk of explanation on "bringing allies into play", my mind somehow changed the original question.
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Correct answers from Ohlman, TorranceCircle and AaronC.
The Summoning doesn't employ retainers, but it won't allow Gideon Fontaine (PRE) to recruit an ally such as Warghoul (requires a Tzimisce vampire) or Underbridge Stray (requires Animalism).
ei guys... i have another doubt related from animal retainer recruit action and summoning.
Can a Vampire Recruit a Retainer, Untap and play summoning to recruit an additional retainer that turn ??
Thanks in advance for your kind answers and help !!
> malkavianbarcelona wrote:
> ei guys... i have another doubt related from animal retainer recruit action and summoning.
>
> Can a Vampire Recruit a Retainer, Untap and play summoning to recruit an additional retainer that turn ??
>
> Thanks in advance for your kind answers and help !!
>
A vampire can recruit any number of different retainers each turn, without any special card.
The Summoning allows you to recruit an additional copy of any retainer you've already recruited this turn (or you are going to recruit later) because the action "The Summoning" is different from the action "Raven Spy" for instance.
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Retainers aren't recruited.
The Summoning doesn't employ retainers. It puts retainers into hand.
It can put the same ally into play at superior that was recruited normally.
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> ICL wrote:
> Retainers aren't recruited.
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> The Summoning doesn't employ retainers. It puts retainers into hand.
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> It can put the same ally into play at superior that was recruited normally.
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That's why cardtext should be always included.
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