rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

What cards stay when ousted?

9 messages from 6 participants · 20 November 2012 – 22 November 2012 · vekn.net/forum
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Corax

There are three players left in the game my prey and my predator and myself. My prey has a vamp in torpor with no blood and with several cards on them including; a Protean Discipline card played by my predator due to master jam, a Blood Doll played by my prey, and a Celerity Discipline card played by my prey. My predator has a vamp in torpor with Fame and a Celerity discipline card on it both played by my prey. On my next turn I steal my preys vamp from torpor making them ready with Graverobbing at superior then oust my prey from the game with my other ready vamp. Does the Blood Doll Stay and is it usable by me on my next turn? Which if not all of the discipline cards stay? Does the fame stay in play on my predator's vampire?

Klaital

Master cards are by default controlled by whoever played them, and none of those listed masters have any text saying otherwise, so the ones played by the ousted player all go poof. Minion cards instead are by default controlled by the controller of the minion they are on.

KevinM

For reference, Klaital's answer is listed in 1.6.2 and 1.6.3 in the rulebook. Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

Pascal Bertrand

> KevinM wrote: > For reference, Klaital's answer is listed in 1.6.2 and 1.6.3 in the rulebook. > And, of course, Klaital is correct.

Ohlmann

> Klaital wrote: > Master cards are by default controlled by whoever played them, and none of those listed masters have any text saying otherwise, so the ones played by the ousted player all go poof. > www.secretlibrary.info/index.php?lib=1168 Regarhagan's Hold Master [2 Pool] Master: out-of-turn. Give this card to another Methuselah during his or her untap phase and move a reaction card from that Methuselah's ash heap to this card. The chosen reaction card costs that Methuselah's vampires an additional blood. That Methuselah may move 1 pool to this card as a master phase action. Burn this card when it has 2 pool counters. A Methuselah can have only 1 Regarhagan's Hold. Didn't the "give" keyword imply that the control of the card change ? (in short, maybe this master is the one who can actually not be controlled by the one who played it).

Klaital

It has pretty funny wording, but yes you give the control of that to the other methuselah. There are other things also, like The Rack and PB: Montreal for example change controller each time they are stolen.

Pascal Bertrand

> Ohlmann wrote: > > > Klaital wrote: > > Master cards are by default controlled by whoever played them, and none of those listed masters have any text saying otherwise, so the ones played by the ousted player all go poof. > > > www.secretlibrary.info/index.php?lib=1168 > > Regarhagan's Hold > > Master > [2 Pool] > Master: out-of-turn. > Give this card to another Methuselah during his or her untap phase and move a reaction card from that Methuselah's ash heap to this card. The chosen reaction card costs that Methuselah's vampires an additional blood. That Methuselah may move 1 pool to this card as a master phase action. Burn this card when it has 2 pool counters. A Methuselah can have only 1 Regarhagan's Hold. > > Didn't the "give" keyword imply that the control of the card change ? (in short, maybe this master is the one who can actually not be controlled by the one who played it). > That's covered by the "by default" Klaital used. Nothing supercedes the Golden Rule of Cardtext (unless we have a card that reads "The Golden Rule of Cardtext doesn't apply to this card", but I'm pretty confident this won't happen...)

Juggernaut1981

Except for all of LSJs (and PBs) rulings which effectively changed card text? Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418

Pascal Bertrand

Do you have anything in mind?