[EC 2012] EC Day2 turn-per-turn report

> Stone wrote: > Final EC Day 2 > 1st seed Tiago B > 2nd seed Isak Esbornsson Bjarm > 3rd seed Mumra > 4th seed David Wittman > 5th seed Tomasz > > Mumra → David → Tomasz > Mumra → David → Tomasz → Isak > David → Tomasz → Isak → Tiago → Mumra > > T1 > > Mumra : influence 1. Mumra (29) > David : influence 2, Kai Simmons (1) out. David(28) > Tomasz : influence 3, Isabel de Leon (3) out. Tomasz (27) > Isak : Zillah. Influence 4. Isak (21). discard Ashur > Tiago : Channel 10. influences 4. > > T2 1h57 > Mumra : Mercy Knight Inquisitor out. (5). Mumra (25). disc tel misdi > David : influence 4. David (24) > Tomasz : bleed for 1. influences 4 Tomasza (23) > Isak :info highway. Cybele out. Isak (17). discard golconda > Tiago : Lodin out (8). Tiago (20) > T3 1h55 > Mumra : Fetish H.G. Mercy Embraces. Lodin 2nd Trad. Hit 1. hidden strength, 2nd round, hit 1. hidden stregnth, round 3, hit 1, lodin prevents. Lodin (8), Mercy (2). influences Remiliard. Mumra (19). discard kine. > David : Kai bleeds. Passes. Influences : Hektor out. David (20). > Tomasz : influences 4. discard psyche (and before 2nd tradn, psyche).Tomasz (18) > Isak : Villein 5. Jake Washington. Plays Liquidation. Zillah dreams elder sup, zillah, jake, liquid, ashur. Pays 1 to see 1. Isak (24). discards lost in translation. > Tiago : Lodin sup. Govern, no block. Lodin (7). influences4, Graham Gottsdam out. Tiago (16). > > T4 1h49 > > Mumra :get 1 Fetish HG. Plays Vessel on Mercy. Plays Coven. Use Coven on Mercy. Inlfuences 2. > David : gets 1 from Edge. Monster on Hektor. Hektor Heart of Nizchetus. Isabel tel misdi blocks after discussion on rescue torpor. Concelaed .44. Maneovuer , Pursuit, DI, Pursuit. Immortal Grapple. Discussion on potential diablerie. Tiago disagree, too early. David claims he won't have enough maneuver. David still plays Amaranth. Hektor takes the .44. Tiago 4 votes to burn Hektor. Hektor+Edge survives (priscus), no vote discarded. Forced March, Hektor bleeds. Kai bleed, passes. Influences 2, Discards Reins of Power. David (19) > Tomasz : Villon out. 2 on another uncontrolled vamp. Tomasz (9) > Isak :, Cybel bleeds for 3, attempt block, sup. Mirror Walk. Graham deflects. Remilard : tel misdi on prey,becomes bleeds for 4. passes. Pays 1 to see 1 vamp. Discards villein . Isak (23) > Tiago : Lodin : sup. Govern, passes. Graham bleeds, Mercy blocks, hit for 1, staredown. Use Coven on Lodin. Influences, Mustafa the Heir out. > > T5 1h37 > Mumra : gets 1 from Vessel+HG. Mumra (17). Plays Foundation Exhibit. Mercy Embraces, no block. Embraces hunts. Mercy (3), Remiliard (3) tries to call the vote to take control of Kai illegaly (no titled). So Remiliard makes Embraces, Embraces hunts. Influences, Jost Werner out. Mumra (13). > David : Hektor burns foundation exhibit, pays 1 blood, Freak Drive. Hektor (6). Hektor bleeds, passes Iron Glare, Tomasz takes 3. Tomasz (6). Retro 2. . David (17) discards villein ? > Tomasz : Villein for 9 on Villon. Tomasz (15). asks Tiago about a Parity. Villon calls a Parity, -5 on Isak, +5 to Tomasz. Passes by 6, tiago in favor (+3 villon+vote vs -3 hektor). Influences Felicia Mostrom. Tomasz (18) > Isak : untaps cybele. Liquidation : metro underground, mirrow walk, UHF, faceless, anthelios,, intimidation, liquidation. Cybele bleeds 3, attempt block mustafe, 2 stealth, Tomsaz cycles Eyes of Argus, Mustafa plays deflection, Cybele plays Approx. Tiago (10). Cybele (4). pays 1 to see 1, influences 2. discards entrancement. (and used Coven at some point) > Tiago : Graham bleeds 1, no block, Murmur of false will, passes. Mumra (11). discards Montreal. Tiago (10) > > T6 1h24 > Mumra : Vessel/HG thungy. Plays Vessel on Jost. Plays Dreams. Jost Heart of Nizchetus, passes. Embraces Art Scam. Mustafa blocks with Channel 10. Change of Target. Uses Dreams for cards. Embrace Art Scam, passes. Some discussion on a potential Con Boon. Tomasz ok if next boon is for Toreador. David thinks Mumra is fine defending with 3 minions. Remiliard hunts. Calls 1 to see 1. discards Heart of Nizchetus. Reduced hand size with foundation exhibit and staredown. Mumra (10) > David : Villein for 2 on Hektor. David asks about a Dog of War. Hektor plays DoW. Tiago wants a firm answer on backrush first, David is ok, no blocks. Tiago in favor. Passes. Forced March. Mumra convinces David not to rush as Tiago 1st seed etc. Influence, 3 on uncontrolled. David (16) > Tomasz : Coven used on Villon. Villon steals 2 on Hektor. Hektor (1). Villon (5). Felicia bleeds, passes, Cybele untapped via Guard Dogs though. Discard 2nd trad. Tomasz (16). > Isak : some useless talk about being back ousted. Zillah Valley. Plays Ashur. Influences Lutz out. Isak (6). discard Ashur. > Tiago : Graham bleeds, no block, inf. Conditioning, Mumra (7). discards Carlton.. Tiago (10) > > T7 1h03 > Mumra : Vessel/HG thingy, uses Heart. Uses Dreams for cads. Mumra convinces Tomasz Tiago is 1st seed etc. on Con boon. Jost calls Con Boon not blocked. Tomasz, Isak in favor, Mustafa flaw used, it passes. (+1 Lutz damage on Tiago) Mumra (14). Remiliard calls vote to burn Dog of War, Lodin blocks with Channel 10, inf. Majesty. Embrace call vote to burn DoW. Graham OtQV, no blocks. Mustafa flaw used, Tiago discards Edge, Mumra burns KRC, DoW burns. 1 pool Lutz dmg. Discards CoTarget. Mumra (14). discards down Pentex and Palla. > David : contests Dreams of the Sphinx. Use Coven on Hektor. Influence Miguel Santo Domingo. Discards Amaranth. > Tomasz : Villon bleeds for 2. no block. Felicia bleeds 1. Isak (3). > Isak : Villein of 8 on Lutz. Lutz (3). plays Parthenon. Plays 2nd and 3rd Ashur. Takes Mirror Walk in hand. Various stuff in library. Master phase lasts 4 minutes...Cybele bleeds for 1, sup. Mirrow Walk on Mustafa block attempt, OtQV+redirection on Mumra, Mercy tel Misdi on Hektor, becomes a bleed for 4 on David. Cyble (3). discards Rats Warning. Isak (12) > Tiago : Misdirection on Embrace. Mumra full tapped. Mustafa bleeds for 3, no block, Mumra (11). Graham govern bleed, no block. Lodin Govern bleed, no block. Mumra (5). discards rolling with punches. Tiago ((7) > > T8 (45mn) > Mumra : yields contest of Dreams. Vessel.HG thingy, uses Coven on Mercy (3). Remiliard (2). Jost (4). Plays Foundation Exhibit. Asks for Boon, Tomasz reminds Boon is supposed to be for Tomasz, Mumra claims low pool and no pair of Boon in hand. Embrace calls Con Boon. Lodin blocks with 2nd Trad. Hit for 1, hidden sstrength, press, prevent with Rolling, Embrace in torpor. Embrace Art Scam. No discard, Mumra (9) > David : gets Dreams back from contest. Taps for Card. Asks about a DoW. Tiago OK except for the pool damage. Some discussion with an Ancient Influence too. .. in the end Mighel call DoW, 2nd Trad from Villon. Close, Immortal, hit for 1, Villon Blur. Miguel press from IG, Villon Taste of Vitae. Villon (3), Miguel (4). 2nd Round : IG, Miguel prevent Rolling inf, Villon sup. Side strike. Sup. Psyche !. New combat : .44/Concealed, long from .44, Miguel Resist Earth Grap, hit for ½, Villon sup. Pursuit, Miguel in torpor. Villon 1 blood. Hektor calls Ancient Influence. Felicia sup Eyes of Argus and quickened Sight blocks. Felicia goes to long, Hektor inf sleective silcne, Hektor hand strike, Felicia Side Strike. Discards Monastery of Shadow. David (7) discards down amaranth and voter cap. > Tomasz : Rack targets Villon. Villon bleeds for 2. Lutz Lost in Translation on tiago. Tiago (5). Felicia bleeds 1. passes. Isak (11). Influences Marcellus. Tomasz (5). > Isak : pays for Cybele. Plays another Coven (contest with Tiago). Ashur. Plays Pentex on Marcellus. Cybele bleeds for 3. passes. Cybele (2). Lutz bleeds for 3. Tiago dead, 30min left. Pays 1 to see 1. Isak (13). discards Misdirection. > > T9 29mn maybe > Mumra : vessel/HG thingy, heart. Plays Neonate Breach on David (4dmg) and Isak (1dmg). Tomasz disagree as wants Isak dead first. Fails. Plays KRC for 2/2, Tomasz disagree. > David : uses of Dreams. Monster of Kai. Hektor burns Foundation Exhibit, Forced March. Hektor Rumble on Marcellus. Felicia sup. Eyes of Argus. 2Nd Trad on Villon. (Villon no blood). Hektor sets range with Selective Silence to close, immortal grapple, Amaranth on villon, takes the Magnum. Hektor (0). dicards forced march. Discards down with dreams and resist earth grap. David (7) > Tomasz : Vessel on Marcellus. Puts Montreal in play, David Wash. Villein for 4 on Felicia. Felicia removes Pentex, passes. Marcellus bleeds for 2. passes. Isak (11). discard enhances Senses. > Isak : pays for Cybel, Coven back from Contest. Plays Ashur Tablet. Cybel UHF. Marcellus 2nd Trad. Into Thin Air. Enhanced Senses. Sup. Elder Imp. D.I. Cybele Majesty. Lutz bleeds for 3, Mercy attempt to block, sup. Faceless, Mercy Tel Misdi, Lutz sup. Approx, Mumra DI. David (4). > > T10 14mn > Mumra : fetish/vessel blabla. Heart. Untap phase lasts 1mn+.. Embrace bleeds for 1, passes (David has only Kai untapped). Jost Embraces, Embrace hunts. Gets Carter out. Mumra (9). 11mn left. Discard con boon. > David : Hektor hunts, forced march, calls DoW, passes by 5, voter cap. 8Mn50s left. Discard rumble, DoW, DoW. 8Mn 36s left > Tomasz : Villon bleeds for 2. felicia bleeds for 1. Isak (7). discards Art Mu maybe. 8Mn left > Isak : plays Dreams. Plays Liquidation. Plays Ashur Table (3rd). Takes Approx in hand. 4Mn35ss after resolving 3rd ashur. Lutz bleeds for 5 (Intimidation) , attempt to block, Air of Elation, blocked, Lutz Majesty. Cybele bleeds for 2, sup. Tel Misdi of Remiliard, sup. Approx, Mumra takes 2. Mumra (6). Lutz attempts to steal Rack, some stealth vs 2nd trad, passes. Puts Anthelios in play. > > T11 2mn left. > Mumra : Foundation Exhibit. 3 bleeds for 1 not blocked. Full bleeds, David dead, 40s remining. > > Tomasz : tries to xfer out but no time. > Isak : > > Isak Esbjornsson Bjarmak wins the finals with 1.5 VP. > Many thanks to Stone for writing this report down while I was judging and asking spectators to remain silent.

Congrats to Isak. So close, Mumra... ah, and as discussed before, ashur can take up to 5 minutes and it's tournament standard Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier

Congrats to Isak for winning EC, after terrible Swedish National. Like Nietzche said, what does not kill you makes you stronger !!! Also congrats to Tiago and Tomasz who managed to get into the finals two days in a row. Impressive feat. It took me a little until I noticed why Cybeles bleeds were for four, until I remembered Hektors full text.... sometimes fringe texts become important in the game. It was high time that a deck showed how awesome good approximation of loyalty is. Expect to see more decks including it from now on.

> Pascal wrote: > Tomasz : tries to xfer out but no time. > Good to hear. Kingmaking in a Continenal Championship is lame. Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

> KevinM wrote: > > > Pascal wrote: > > Tomasz : tries to xfer out but no time. > > > Good to hear. Kingmaking in a Continenal Championship is lame. > why ? especially when you see it through a telegraphi CR I'm curious to what is your standard definition of kingmaking, and if it's not happening in 50% of v:tes games Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier

Kingmaking may remain inevitable in a multi-player game, especially in games where there is very little at stake. But on what is arguably the most important VTES table in the entire WORLD, yeah, it seems pretty damned lame. Here's my question: What did the guy have to lose by playing it out? And if he had no ability to play it out, why not just concede? And if he couldn't concede, why not just discard and be done? Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

Thanks for these reports. Reading through them.... So, when Hektor was blocked getting the Heart, he Forced Marched with inferior Fortitude? When you are anvil, be patient; when a hammer, strike. pckvtes.wordpress.com @pckvtes

I think the explanable situation is that Hektor untapped thanks to the monster after amaranting opposing vampire and afterwards he bleeded and untapped thanks to forced march.

What's UHF?

IMO the most critical points in the game: Isak: Turn 1 Zillah's, Turn 2 Information Highway David: Turn 6 immediately broke his deal with Tiago to rush backwards

> AaronC wrote: > What's UHF? > I'm assuming it's Unleash Hell's Fury. VtES store : www.prunesquallor.net Card supplies & games : stores.ebay.com/Prunesquallors-Secret-Cache

No, he didn't broke the deal. The deal was that the first rush will be backwards from the DoW. It was not set that when should it happen, just that it would be backwards. The DoW was voted down then by Mumra in T7, so the deal at that time was not possible to fulfill > AaronC wrote: > IMO the most critical points in the game: > > Isak: Turn 1 Zillah's, Turn 2 Information Highway > David: Turn 6 immediately broke his deal with Tiago to rush backwards >

> Dr.Mafrune wrote: > > It was high time that a deck showed how awesome good approximation of loyalty is. Expect to see more decks including it from now on. > It's always been one of my favorite cards as well, it's just not that good in my local meta(Too many big vamps), so I tend to remove them after a while. For a "normal" tournament they should be pretty awesome though, as shown well here.

I will post the finalist decklists later today, as the hosts were so kind to give me all the decklists (I think) they have received during the tournaments. Milan, Tibor, et. al.: many, many thanks for that!!

> extrala wrote: > I will post the finalist decklists later today, as the hosts were so kind to give me all the decklists (I think) they have received during the tournaments. > > Milan, Tibor, et. al.: many, many thanks for that!! > it would be really awesome to see all decklists used, not just finalists! Huge thanks for that

I have planned to do the top 25, but I will see how much time it actually takes to enter the decklists. Stay tuned.

I can enter some too if you need help.

> extrala wrote: > I have planned to do the top 25, but I will see how much time it actually takes to enter the decklists. Stay tuned. > How about just scanning the decklists? Wouldn't that sava lot of work? The handwritten ones would probably be a bit hard to read, but still... pckvtes.wordpress.com

Scanning is possibility, but I don't have access to a scanner atm. It might be possible to make a photo shot of each of them. The biggest problem atm is that the decklists (for the non-finalists) are mixed up to some degree, that is unless the deck author explicit has written the event name on the decklist, I cannot say for sure to which tournament the decklist belongs. I have just started to look into the decklists, and it might take me some time to sort through them. But the thread is bit derailed from its original topic ...

Isak played for 1 vp and a timeout instead of trying to get the 2nd vp - that eliminated even a small chance for me to get a vp. I asked Isak several times to kindly speed up the gameplay also asked to prepare cards for the ashurs. Both had no effect. Because of this I told Benoit that if hes got vote cards in his hand I would be in favor of damaging me and his prey - so he can kill both us and win the finals (a tabletalk forcing Isak to perhaps play a different game). Benoit supposedly havent heard that and decided to just bleed out his prey. I played my turn normally - Pierre wrote in the script that I had no time to transfer out - that was not corret - I had too much pool. Anyway all the transfer out thing was strongly connected with table talk - I have no idea what I would do if I actually had a chance to do that. I more or less expected that it wont come to that -Thomas the finalist

> izi wrote: > Isak played for 1 vp and a timeout instead of trying to get the 2nd vp > I actually think it looked like he tried to take his second vp. He left some blood on Lutz with Villein and he let you remove the pentex, both of which would indicate he would try to be aggressive. Also he bled Benoit, which Benoit bounced and made it easier for him to oust David. But he had no incentive to hurry, of course, since he was winning by time-out. Adam Esbjörnsson, Prince of Örebro

> Isak played for 1 vp and a timeout instead of trying to get the 2nd vp > I wasn't there so I have no judgement whatsoever on this, but if he was doing so then it is not his fault. He plays to win the finals, which means that if he gets the timeout, he wins. You can feel it's lame or whatever, but the fault of the flawed tournament system (given the current meta and available cardpool) that promotes play like this. See the fairly massive thread on this topic elsewhere. Also, if it is indeed the case (as you claim) that he was repeatedly asked to speed up his play and failed to do so, it is an error made by the judge and not by Isak. As much as I hate Girls decks and timeouts in general, you do what you have to do on EC day 2. Isak picked the right deck for the meta (a deck that would have been utterly crushed on last year's Day 2), made it to the finals and played it to win it. And succeeded. Me, I'm just happy a namesake took the title

> izi wrote: > I played my turn normally - Pierre wrote in the script that I had no time to transfer out - that was not corret - I had too much pool. > yeah, Floppy posted the transcript before I could get a chance to proof read it. he assumed correctly it would take too much time with all the usual fatigue following such an event. Anyway I meant you didnt have the time to xfer out in the sense it would have taken more than one turn. but your phrasing is the proper one of course. congrats anyway to Isak, all the finalists and many thanks to the organizers who devoted a lot of time and efforts to make this great event !

> AaronC wrote: > IMO the most critical points in the game: > > Isak: Turn 1 Zillah's, Turn 2 Information Highway > David: Turn 6 immediately broke his deal with Tiago to rush backwards > I disagree. 1. Girls is designed to do this, then Isak had apparently some trouble to find another vampire to play with Cybele so it did not came out that fast (I suppose he was seeking for an IC with political power rather than the "bouncing" Aksynia who'd have been useless in this game) 2. rushing back would have only resulted in the destruction of an embrace. useless. If Tiago hadn't spoil 3 2nd trad 2 OtQV and at least 3 use of channel 10 on me, I think he would have controled the girls deck quite easily and put me in a difficult situation: Blocking at +2 cept, or/and deflecting on me with his 7/8 cap immune to Approx. (rather than Mustapha ) "Decisions, Decisions"... To me, the critical point of the game was just after Isak took his VP (1h30) -which was obvious to me. The "negociations" between Tomas and I could have done a huge change. We had the vote lock, I had the damage to oust David and Isaak in 2 turns max and give us a fair duel of 25 minutes(I couldn't move on Tomas and his heavy wall deck but Tomas had very little ousting power). Unfortunately Tomas did not realize it was our one and ONLY chance and I might not have played the right vote first nor chosen the right words to seal a win/win deal. I officialy apologize to Tomas for having lost my temper and said a bad word to him. We did not know each other and yet had to fully trust the other, difficult task indeed. Congratulations to Isak, he played with awesome tactic. He dealt with the clock with subtlety, making his VP in the right moment so the table had very little time to react and build a plan. The fact that he kills the clock with tablets/liquidation is part of the game and is completely legal. He did it fairly and deserve his victory IMHO. See you next year in Stockholm

> Izaak wrote: > > > He plays to win the finals, which means that if he gets the timeout, he wins. > > > > You can feel it's lame or whatever, but the fault of the flawed tournament system (given the current meta and available cardpool) that promotes play like this. See the fairly massive thread on this topic elsewhere. > > > Brian had some ideas about how to avoid these. > fairly cumbersome but still would put pressure on players to play and finish the table instead of waiting for timeout. > > Brian, won't you present the ideas here? > Finnish Politics!

> Lönkka wrote: > Brian had some ideas about how to avoid these. > fairly cumbersome but still would put pressure on players to play and finish the table instead of waiting for timeout. > > Brian, won't you present the ideas here? > Don't know about brian, but banning AT will do the trick. NC Russia

> mumra wrote: > > > AaronC wrote: > > IMO the most critical points in the game: > > > > Isak: Turn 1 Zillah's, Turn 2 Information Highway > > David: Turn 6 immediately broke his deal with Tiago to rush backwards > > > I disagree. > > ... > > To me, the critical point of the game was just after Isak took his VP (1h30) -which was obvious to me. > The "negociations" between Tomas and I could have done a huge change. > We had the vote lock, I had the damage to oust David and Isaak in 2 turns max and give us a fair duel of 25 minutes(I couldn't move on Tomas and his heavy wall deck but Tomas had very little ousting power). > Unfortunately Tomas did not realize it was our one and ONLY chance and I might not have played the right vote first nor chosen the right words to seal a win/win deal. > I officialy apologize to Tomas for having lost my temper and said a bad word to him. > We did not know each other and yet had to fully trust the other, difficult task indeed. > I watched the video, and I agree with your assessment. What I wrote before was based on only reading the transcript. Those two moments jumped out at me as being noteworthy (I just really hate how the fatty deck always seems to draw one of its two Info Highways in the opening hand). It's nice that you are magnanimous, but as a spectator, I also felt that Tomasz made a major error in not voting with you. It was hard to see how he was going to be able to oust Isak within the time limit without your damaging votes, even with his (then) standing bleed of 5. It's understandable that he wouldn't want you (as a higher seed) to get a VP, but as he found out, David's combat was still a major threat, meaning that getting rid of David quickly would have been a good thing for him. In a heads-up, his type of deck would seem well-equipped to win against yours, although time would not have been on his side. It's funny that no one seemed to view Isak as the threat he was. Tiago completely tapped out at 7 pool with a standing bleed of 6 plus Lutz's special behind him. Tomasz was (at first) more concerned about you getting a VP than with ousting Isak. Maybe it was a combination of Isak's multiple crypt searches at the beginning plus the fact that he had the most affable, relaxed manner at the table.