Horny Lawyers

Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 6 max: 9 average: 7.5 3x Annazir (9) 2 votes Baali (g5) 3x Scout Youngwood (8) 2 votes DoC (g6) 3x Xeper, Sultan of Lepers (7) Baali (g6) 3x Arishat (6) 1 vote Baali (g6) Library [84 cards] Action [2] 2x Condemnation: Mute Action Modifier [24] 4x Bewitching Oration 2x Elder Impersonation 2x Faceless Night 2x Forgotten Labyrinth 2x Into Thin Air 4x Lost in Crowds 2x Perfect Paragon 6x Voter Captivation Action Modifier / Combat [2] 2x Force of Personality Action Modifier/Combat [4] 4x Swallowed by the Night Ally [1] 1x Mylan Horseed (Goblin) Combat [4] 4x Majesty Event [2] 2x Anthelios, The Red Star Master [31] 2x Information Highway 6x Parthenon, The 1x Ruins of Charizel 8x Tend the Flock 3x Vessel 4x Villein 1x Wider View 6x Zillah's Valley Political Action [14] 8x Kine Resources Contested 6x Reckless Agitation So, this is the latest version of the deck, however, never have I played it with this many masters. It was an 80-card variant of fast political death, but it was somewhat prone to bad draws and master jams and it was relatively slow. In this version I cut out some unneeded masters (Paths, for example) and added 8 accelerator masters, with a bit added Tend the Flocks. So, in order to keep up with all those masters, I put in 6 Parthenons and 2 Anthelios to cycle all those unneeded masters once I'm set up for more Flocks (it really should work wonders with 6 transfers). Some general observations, based on previously played versions: as with all Baali decks, I guess, good pool management is key or you'll bleed yourself do death having an aggressive predator, especially one able to rush, means instant death to this deck once my gaming group familiarized with this deck, they were very aggressive towards me, which is I guess understandable. at least it makes for very fast games (I was asked after half a dozen games not to play with it any more) Villein-only approach is not so feasable, since many cards require blood on Vampires - hence a mix of Vessels and Villeins vote lock is very possible, even with many votes on the table very flexible when it comes to nuisances, meaning I can reliably deal with opponent's locations, equipment and allies. That is huge! this deck is able to dish incredible amounts of vote damage very very quickly. People not familiar with deck are taken aback how quickly they die... this setup is relatively obscure and therefore deck gets a benefit of a doubt, which it doesn't deserve. So, any comments, suggestions? I'm not against cutting this deck even further or even expanding it to 90 cards...do you think this whole master-heavy setup is tournament-viable? I was thinking of perhaps adding some of the following cards: several Washes (cyclable), a single Dreams (also cyclable) and perhaps Protected Resources, since this deck does not bleed too much...

No pool-gaining vote or action ? It's pretty much the more suicidal deck I have seen. I does not mean that as an insult ; you pack no defence while being very able to oust yourself just by your own card. Of course, there is not a lot of workable defense with that crypt ...

Well, there are 6 Voters and a lot of Tend the Flocks...my rationale for not including any pool-gaining votes is that I can most via Boon get, what, 3 pool and that action alone costs me 1 pool later. I'd rather chip off my prey 5 pool, getting close to 1 VP and 6 pool) and perhaps gain 2 via Voters. I also had 1 Political Flux earlier, perhaps I should put it back in...

Well, Political Flux seem very weak. Political Stranglehold seem better. And while big your vampires are not big enough for Honor the elder I don't really have much advices, but the fatal weakness of that kind of deck is that you can't wait for an opportunity and you must immediatly be threatening. It's too much of a weakness for me, but if it work for you ...

You are throwing far too much pool away: - Each Zillah's Valley costs you 1 pool. Consider more Information Highway/Dreams of the Sphinx instead. - Parthenon costs 2 pool and can be contested. Consider Rumors of the Gehenna instead. - Vessel costs a pool and you should not need it. If you want more pool, play more Villeins. If you want more blood, play Giant's Blood, Coven, Perfectionist, Life in the City,...

> You are throwing far too much pool away: > - Each Zillah's Valley costs you 1 pool. Consider more Information Highway/Dreams of the Sphinx instead. > - Parthenon costs 2 pool and can be contested. Consider Rumors of the Gehenna instead. > - Vessel costs a pool and you should not need it. If you want more pool, play more Villeins. If you want more blood, play Giant's Blood, Coven, Perfectionist, Life in the City,... > Disagree on Zillah's and Parthenon, as both are an integral part to getting stuff on the table fast and then later recoup the "wasted" pool with recycled Tend the Flocks. I agree with the Vessel comment. A Coven is probably a good idea and I think you should play Minion Tap instead of Villein here since you can recycle them after a big voter cap and I don't think really need Villein's trifle-ness. You do need a copy of Golconda, though. Furthermore I'd get rid of the Into Thin Air and just play more Elder Impersonation and Forgotten Labyrinth. I also really like 1-2 copies of My Kin Against the World in this deck. Other than that, looks deadly but it's a bit of a glass cannon.

I really like Perfect Paragon because of its versatility. Try it, it's nice. Baron of Frankfurt

> - Parthenon costs 2 pool and can be contested. Consider Rumors of the Gehenna instead. > This really isn't an issue, considering Annazir's ability. And I'll point that to any player who is even considering to play a Parthenon > Disagree on Zillah's and Parthenon, as both are an integral part to getting stuff on the table fast and then later recoup the "wasted" pool with recycled Tend the Flocks. > Yup, that's the idea - fast setup and then recycle excess cards into useful stuff... > I agree with the Vessel comment. A Coven is probably a good idea and I think you should play Minion Tap instead of Villein here since you can recycle them after a big voter cap and I don't think really need Villein's trifle-ness. You do need a copy of Golconda, though. > Perhaps I should stick to what I used to run in this deck - 6 Villeins and that's it. Minions vs Villeins - I'm not sold but will give it a try and see could Villeins be Taps without a loss of speed. Perhaps swap Vessels with Blood Dolls, something like 4 Villeins and 2 blood Dolls? A single Golconda is a nice idea. As is Coven, will try to jam it in. > Furthermore I'd get rid of the Into Thin Air and just play more Elder Impersonation and Forgotten Labyrinth. I also really like 1-2 copies of My Kin Against the World in this deck. > Perhaps, again, you probably are correct. My main issue is that those cards cost blood and this really should be taken into consideration when you decide how much blood to take off a vamp with a first Villein... My Kin was actually in previous versions of this deck. However, I'm not quite sure if it is worth it, paying ideally 2 blood instead of two pool and main guy cannot preform an offensive political action that turn. He is, however, free to either bleed and/or destroy/steal equipment or location. Should be useful if there are allies on the table, too...will put in 2 copies and give it a try. > I really like Perfect Paragon because of its versatility. Try it, it's nice. > Oh, I quite agree - that's why there are two copies in the deck already . Thanks for all the comments, guys.

I've tried to build many different versions of that kind of deck (and I must admit I haven't found a good one), but here's a few insights: > Kiddo wrote: > Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 6 max: 9 average: 7.5 > 3x Annazir (9) 2 votes Baali (g5) > 3x Scout Youngwood (8) 2 votes DoC (g6) > 3x Xeper, Sultan of Lepers (7) Baali (g6) > 3x Arishat (6) 1 vote Baali (g6) > > Library [84 cards] > > Action [2] > 2x Condemnation: Mute > > Even though it's a great card, you won't need it most of the time. Actions are very scarce in this kind of deck, so I'd just remove them. > > Action Modifier [24] > 4x Bewitching Oration > 2x Elder Impersonation > 2x Faceless Night > 2x Forgotten Labyrinth > 2x Into Thin Air > 4x Lost in Crowds > 2x Perfect Paragon > 6x Voter Captivation > I'd remove the Into thin Air and change the Forgotten Labyrinths for more Lost in Crowds. Swallowed by the Night is a great versatile card (combat defense/stealth) so you could add more. > You have already figured out that you won't gain much blood on Voter Captivation so you'd better avoid any blood costing card. > > Action Modifier / Combat [2] > 2x Force of Personality > Great versatile card, easy to cycle. I would replace the Majesty by more of those. > > Action Modifier/Combat [4] > 4x Swallowed by the Night > > Ally [1] > 1x Mylan Horseed (Goblin) > I'm not convinced by Mylan than can only be used for Scout and Annazir. I prefer Veneficti. > > Combat [4] > 4x Majesty > Play more Force of Personality or Staredown that is a great card (yeah, I know you can save pool with Majesty by untapping your infernal vampires, but it doesn't happen very frequently in fact.) > > Event [2] > 2x Anthelios, The Red Star > > Master [31] > 2x Information Highway > 6x Parthenon, The > 1x Ruins of Charizel > 8x Tend the Flock > 3x Vessel > 4x Villein > 1x Wider View > 6x Zillah's Valley > > The Zillah's Valley and Tend the Flock are bad card in my experience. Zillah's Valley: they cost 1 pool and can only be used for Annazir and Scout. Think about 2x Dreams + 2x Powerbase: Montreal (you may keep 2 Zillah's). > Tend the Flock: You'll probably won't be able to play more than 1 or 2 in the game, or regain quickly pool from it. > > Blood gain: think about Lilith's Blessing and Jake Washington. Jake is a great recursive blocker against rush and works well with Vessel. Coven is also absolutely necessary. > > Political Action [14] > 8x Kine Resources Contested > 6x Reckless Agitation > > Maybe 1 or 2 Neonate Breach? > My Kin against the World is not a great card there since apart of voting, you won't be doing many things. > Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

Just a small update after a test game... I made some changes to the original deck, mainly putting in 3 Anthelioses and replacing all Villeins with Minion Taps. So, the bloat/recycle scheme with 2 MPAs and Anthelios works like a charm. Whoever suggested a single Golconda - you were right, it is an awesome addition. However, I didn't win because of a 'minor' detail that Reckless Agitations don't work in a 2 player game - effectively, I had to discard 3 or 4 political cards, giving my prey/pred plenty of time to bloat up and jamming my hand in the process with modifiers. Were those plain old KRCs, I would have won. I'll give it a try several more times, my guess is that somewhere is a version of this deck that could be tournament-viable...

I have a fairly similar deck that has been working quite well to me that thought to share with you here in case it gives you any inspiration on yours. Mine is more a mix between bleeding and voting to be more versatile. The Devil's Advocate(s) Crypt: 3x The Horde 3x Arishat 2x Xeper, Sultan of Lepers 4x Annazir Library: 60 Master: 15 3x Dreams of the Sphinx 1x Powerbase: Montreal 1x Ruins of Charizel 2x Sudden Reversal 6x Tend the Flock 1x The Coven 1x Wider View Action: 9 3x Condemnation: Mute 1x Contagion 5x Legal Manipulations Action Modifier: 23 3x Elder Impersonation 4x Faceless Night 4x I Am Legion 4x Lost in Crowds 3x Sense the Sin 2x Spying Mission 3x True Love's Face Ally: 1 1x Veneficti Combat: 3 3x Majesty Event: 1 1x The Bitter and Sweet Story Political Action: 8 2x Conservative Agitation 3x Kine Resources Contested 3x Reckless Agitation

In the same vein as Klaital's: Alu 3xAnnazir 3xArishat Kalila Lubomira Hradok 3xXeper, Sultan of Lepers 2x Abactor Unleash Hell's Fury 2x Elder Impersonation 4xLost In Crowds 3xPerfect Paragon Psychomachia 4xVoter Captivation 6xSwallowed by the Night 3xInfernal Servitor Mylan Horseed (Goblin) 3xVeneficti (Mage) 10xMajesty Heart of Nizchetus Coven, The 7xDreams of the Sphinx Giant's Blood Path of Evil Revelations 2xPentex(TM) Subversion Police Department 6xVillein 3xWider View Uncoiling Domain Challenge Reckless Agitation 5xNeonate Breach On the Qui Vive 4xSense the Sin Jake Washington Aranthebes Sorry for the formatting, I got it back from Jol. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> Ankha wrote: > 7xDreams of the Sphinx > Ever jammed on them?

www.vekn.net/index.php/forum/7-deck-clinic/1955-infernal-law-firm You can read on the posted link of the same kind of topic, infernal lawfirm deck.

> Kiddo wrote: > However, I didn't win because of a 'minor' detail that Reckless Agitations don't work in a 2 player game - effectively, I had to discard 3 or 4 political cards, giving my prey/pred plenty of time to bloat up and jamming my hand in the process with modifiers. Were those plain old KRCs, I would have won. > > I'll give it a try several more times, my guess is that somewhere is a version of this deck that could be tournament-viable... > Maybe 1 Barrens in place of one parthenon could help this end game problem. Also, have you considered dropping 1 reckless agitation and/or 1-2 KRC for 2-3 conservative agitation. In the early game it is almost as good as reckless and better than KRC, in the end game at least it can still do some damage and help cycle some modifiers like voter cap and bewithcing oration. Reckless agitation's restriction in the 2-player game has caused problems for me too. I think this deck can be very viable in a tournament.

> TorranceCircle wrote: > Also, have you considered dropping 1 reckless agitation and/or 1-2 KRC for 2-3 conservative agitation. > Yup, this is most likely to happen - 10 KRC, 2 Reckless (its cost is also somewhat of a problem), 3 Agitation and 1 Neonate...

If you want a tournie-viable deck you can try this one ( as long as you give proper credit to the name I gave it). Sadly I havent the needed cards to make it. It looks quite good for me for the first draft. I hope you like it as I do. Deck Name : Space Revolver Author : Dr.Mafrune Description : Inspired by the infamous spanish tiki-taka school of deck building ( Few or zero reactions, reduce the deck to the utmost limits & very aggressive to the prey), I took the idea of dreams-ashur tablets recursion from this crazy sweden master-fanatics ( Adam Esbjornsson & Co laboratory, thanks for making Cause & Effect) and applied to the infernal lawfirm deck concept which solves the great problem about inutility of reckless agitation at the endgame. The silver bullet political flux idea is from aussie Jason Ryan. It should have only 60 cards, but I put a freaky rise of the nephtali to amuse myself. It probably should have a golconda and the coven, jake or simmilar. Likely to include a monastery of shadows,veneficti,mylan or kaymakly fragment,bitter and sweet story... but found no room for it. The name I gave it is full of significance. I often try to give my decks name of prog-related albums and the name should have some relationship with the concept. Here the relation is threefold. First, revolver is a dangerous weapon and the deck is a revolving tool, through recursion of ashur tablets. Second space is a new frontier, something new, alien or specially good. Third the album is from one of the greatest swedish music prog-bands, The Flower Kings, and this is my homage from where the idea came from. Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 3 max: 9 average: 6.75 3x Annazir 9 DAI OBF POT PRE 2 votes Baali:5 3x Arishat 6 DAI OBF PRE 1 vote Baali:6 2x Scout Youngwood 8 MEL OBF PRE for qui 2 votes Daughter :6 2x Xeper, Sultan of L 7 OBF PRE ani dai pro Baali:6 2x Horde, The 3 dai obf pre Baali:6 Library [61 cards] Action [3] 1x Condemnation: Mute 1x Contagion 1x Unleash Hell's Fury Action Modifier [17] 1x Approximation of Loyalty 1x Awe 2x Bewitching Oration 2x Elder Impersonation 1x Faceless Night 2x Forgotten Labyrinth 2x Lost in Crowds 2x Perfect Paragon 4x Voter Captivation Action Modifier / Combat [3] 3x Force of Personality Event [2] 1x Anthelios, The Red Star 1x Rise of the Nephtali Master [25] 6x Ashur Tablets 7x Dreams of the Sphinx 1x Giant's Blood 3x Parthenon, The 1x Pentex(TM) Subversion 1x Ruins of Charizel 3x Tend the Flock 2x Villein 1x Wider View Political Action [11] 5x Kine Resources Contested 1x Political Flux 5x Reckless Agitation Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Thu Sep 06 22:35:31 2012]

> Non-existant user wrote: > > > Ankha wrote: > > 7xDreams of the Sphinx > > > Ever jammed on them? > Not much. Don't forget that you can play it each 3 turns. If you really have a copy you don't want, discard it: you'll probably draw a new one soon. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director