You'd have to explain a bit this deck
10 action modifiers costing blood
Body Arsenal over Chirptean Marauder (they all have it at superior)
Wind Dance over Read Intentions
no Lilith's Blessing to re-use those Obfuscate skill-cards
not a single banishment/Reins of Power / Ancient Influence / Political Stranglehold even though you have 11 votes
I suppose the plan is to get Malgorzata out first, and then use her ability to bring the other two chumps out. Other copies of Malgorzata are removed frmo the game while other copies of the 11-caps get Villein'd / Golconda'd.
What I'm afraid of is that you'll spend your turns with one offensive action. And in this deck, it's clearly not enough (as it's going to be a bleed for 5 at best).
What a crappy deck!
Ok, let's see.
Crypt [16 vampires] Capacity min: 9 max: 11 average: 10.125
7x Malgorzata (9) priscus Tremere antitribu (group 4)
5x Mistress Fanchon (11) inner circle Tremere (group 4)
4x Sha-Ennu (11) regent Tzimisce (group 4)
I'll skip the crypt part because I don't want to do maths to know how many vampires you can expect to draw in a game to feed Malgorzata.
Library [90 cards]
Action [5]
5x Govern the Unaligned
I'm not sure what they are there for. I'll assume it's more for ousting than Governing down. Anyway, Sha-Ennu can't play it. Either switch to Changeling (VIC, +1 bleed or +1 stealth) or Conditioning to keep the ousting power high.
Action Modifier [23]
6x Elder Impersonation
4x Forgotten Labyrinth
4x Lost in Crowds
9x Mirror Walk
What are the Forgotten Labyrinth here for? Using Malgorzata's special? Anyway, I would change Forgotten + Lost in Crowds to Into thin Air. You won't be doing lots of actions so card flow isn't very important here, and it works on bleeds. I fear you do have to much stealth anyway. Changeling could replace some cards.
Combat [13]
3x Body Arsenal
3x Flames of the Netherworld
7x Wind Dance
Body Arsenal and Wind Dance are never used, and for a good reason: they are crap. Change them to some Chiropteran Marauder (maneuver or agg damage) for versatility. Maybe some Rego Motus could be fun too.
Master [38]
4x Effective Management
10x Golconda: Inner Peace
4x Information Highway
3x Obfuscate
3x Parthenon, The
10x Villein
4x Zillah's Valley
10 Golconda? Man, are you really expecting to need them so early and in such quantity? 5 should be enough. 10 Villein is a lot too. The obfuscate skill cards are quite unnecessary, if you plan to Golconda your vampires at some point. Add Pentex. Add some Suddens, because if your prey starts to Villein his own vampires, you'll never oust him.
Reaction [11]
4x Deflection
4x Eyes of Argus
3x Telepathic Misdirection
Conclusion: please add some ousting power and play a decent combat part. Play more versatile cards. Play some votes too, Reins of Power can do a lot of damage.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Pascal wrote:
> no Lilith's Blessing to re-use those Obfuscate skill-cards
>
Lilith's Blessing can't "re-use" discipline cards (it only searches the library)
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
sorry for the minor bait and switch.
chiropteran marauder does sound very very tempting
wind dance is a life saver against multiple strikes of agg
this crypt and library has been revised so many times im goign bonkers.
but yes, original idea consisted of a _much_ (35) larger crypt, idea is to gain 20+ pool every few turns.
any ideas on how to speed it up?
i like chiropteran marauder
UDHR18/19/27
> mirddes wrote:
> wind dance is a life saver against multiple strikes of agg
>
It must be your playgroup, because I've never seen aggravated additional strike decks. Play some Rego Motus if you're really afraid, but I think you'll be the scary guy at the table with VIC.
> mirddes wrote:
> but yes, original idea consisted of a _much_ (35) larger crypt, idea is to gain 20+ pool every few turns.
>
> any ideas on how to speed it up?
>
You can't. If you plan to gain lots of pool by influencing vampires, villeining them and golconding them, you have an irreductible slowness due to the influence. Golconda will happen during the minion phase, meaning your vampire won't be there during your turn to act.
Question is: why do you *need* to gain 20+ pool every few turns? Wouldn't it be more simple to play more defensive cards such as Deflection?
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
deflection is ousting power let yoru pred kill your prey.
zillah's valley and informatino highway should alleviate slowness.
perhaps i need less cards.
could a 60 card variant of this concept have more potential?
UDHR18/19/27
Could you answer these questions?
1/ How do you intend to oust?
2/ How do you intend to keep from being ousted?
3/ What do you want your ready region to look like (ie, how many guys are you planning on getting out)?
4/ What do you want your average turn to look like?
5/ What's your metagame like? How do your opponents play?
6/ What problems have you observed with the deck in play?
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
> Ankha wrote:
> Could you answer these questions?
>
1/ How do you intend to oust?
id like to govern, with inate +bleed and now changelings
ocassional golconda's actually directed at my prey etc is a fair hit of 2 pool.
2/ How do you intend to keep from being ousted?
villen+golcondas , bleedbounce, dodges
3/ What do you want your ready region to look like (ie, how many guys are you planning on getting out)?
malgorzata and multiple copies of anyone
4/ What do you want your average turn to look like?
villen+golconda (early builds had 15 of each lol)
get another vampire out, to bring out at the end of the turn the vamp i have only just removed from game with TRICK is a fun objective
maybe get agg damage minion card using mistress fanchon
5/ What's your metagame like? How do your opponents play?
i dunno, id like to leave them alone.
6/ What problems have you observed with the deck in play?
been playing on lackey, early builds got ripped to shreds by combat.
not enough stealth distributed aroudn the deck. too many masters.
probabnly woudl work better if was smaller
UDHR18/19/27
You can safely assume agg+additional won't kill you. First, because you'll never ever face it. Second, because if you ever happen to face it, they won't make this mistake twice, and keep rushing Sha Ennu.
In the end, you already have some strong survival defense. I mean, you can deflect, and you have the votes.
What this deck is missing is a big bunch of ousting power. It can get it via vampires with +1 bleed (Lazslo Mirac, for instance)
@Ankha: Such a terrible card..
> mirddes wrote:
> 3/ What do you want your ready region to look like (ie, how many guys are you planning on getting out)?
>
> malgorzata and multiple copies of anyone
>
You do realize that vampires are unique, and you can only have one Mistress Fanchon in play at a time?
This decks looks slow to me. Too many similar (stealth / master) cards that won't cycle if things go bad and you need them to be cycled.
> mirddes wrote:
>
> wind dance is a life saver against multiple strikes of agg
>
If a large part of the goal of the deck is to gain pool through golconda, why would you be bothered by having your vampires torporized? You're going to remove them from the game anyways. (With the exception of Malgorzata, I presume).
> Adrenochrome wrote:
>
> > mirddes wrote:
> > With the exception of Malgorzata, I presume).
> >
> id happily remove malgorzata from the game if i was in a position to bring her out again at the end of my turn.
>
UDHR18/19/27
> mirddes wrote:
> can i still play villien on a torpored vampire?
>
Neither Villein nor Golconda say anything about the vampire having to be ready (barring any errata I have missed).
> mirddes wrote:
> perhaps i need less cards.
>
> could a 60 card variant of this concept have more potential?
>
A big fat yes. You're going to be playing something like 3 cards in an average turn.
Don't force the Obfuscate on Malgorzata. Changeling, Plasmic Form, Mirror Walk and Seduction should be more than enough. If it isn't, Monastery of Shadows and Creepshow Casino are still better than playing Obfuscate masters.
Cut the aggrapoke, it will clog your hand and never be more than a minor inconvenience to your opponents. Play Meld with the Land if you don't feel safe without combat cards.
Cut 3 Info Highways and add 3 Zillah's Valleys.
Add Reins of Power, Ancient Influence and Political Stranglehold.
Consider the Ashur Tablet angle, Tablets + a few Kines and Conditionings could be a strong ousting mechanism.
Some of your stealth cards could be Veil the Legions.
Maybe Breath of the Dragon is better than Flames of the Netherworld.
6 Deflections *and* 6 Telepathic Misdirections do sound a lot to me. You can at least drop 4.
Also, based on how you're going to play this deck, you won't need that many Eyes of Argus (as you'll be bringing out someone at the end of your turn - and they'll be untapped).
As a general guideline, you really shouldn't have any, let's say, 7+ cap vampires in your crypt that can't play each and every one card in your library. It is especially silly having a main vamp (which appears 6 times in your crypt - a bit too much even for Malgorzata's special) that can't play 6 cards from your crypt.
You should really pick your off-clan discipline - either OBF or VIC, and then choose your crypt accordingly. Both of those disciplines, in addition to in-clan THA, offer ample opportunities for stealth.
Also, I don't know where do you stand with card availability, but you really should drop Amaranths in favour of more Breaths. Also, your crypt is huge, you should diversify a bit and put smaller vampires.
70 Library:
4 Govern the Unaligned
5 Changeling
3 Elder Impersonation
4 Mirror Walk
3 Seduction
3 Veil the Legions
4 Breath of the Dragon
6 Chiropteran Marauder
1 Creepshow Casino
2 Effective Management
1 Giant's Blood
6 Golconda: Inner Peace
1 Information Highway
1 Monastery of Shadows
1 Parthenon, The
6 Villein
4 Zillah's Valley
1 Ancient Influence
3 Kine Resources Contested
1 Political Stranglehold
1 Reins of Power
4 Deflection
2 Eyes of Argus
3 Telepathic Misdirection
15 Crypt:
6 Malgorzata
4 Mistress Fanchon
3 Sha-Ennu
1 Laszlo Mirac
1 William Biltmore
maybe ill work ashur tablets in and reduce to 60 library.
i like the vampires i have, 5 disciplines is fine.
UDHR18/19/27