Cryptic Rider - how do you use it best?

What´s the best use you have for Cryptic Rider? Cryptic Rider Action Modifier 1 Blood Only usable on a successful referendum. The next referendum a vampire you control calls this turn passes automatically. I´m foolin around with Anarch Revolt, but it´s not stable. Any great ideas? "My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."

Pool-gaining vote are a lot easier to make pass ; ideally, something like Fanfare for Elyseum allow to bribe people to have your way. My Kin Against the World or The Eldest Command Undeath, which are way too expensive to allow to fail, can be good automatic vote. In any case, it's best not to use more than one or two, because once you have done that people will start to alway vote you down, no matter what you propose. You may want to use it to double the effect of Awe, but Voter Cap is usually better, since it let you gain pool and allow you to play Awe more often, all the while without making everyone vote against you.

Stupid deck: weenie Malkavian, Anarch Revolt, Malkavian Rider Clause and Cryptic Rider. Someone burns a revolt and suddenly all your votes pass

Start your turn with Dia De Los Muertos , then Cryptic Rider until your heart is content. Alternately, play it after votes that other sects can't vote in, like Cardinal Benediction or any vote with Private Audience or Closed Session . Trying to use Cryptic Rider based on trickery is bound to fail once you've pulled the trick off once, so using it when you can guarantee a passed vote to gain more votes is a good choice. If the vote happens to oust the critical swing votes that are preventing you from passing votes by yourself, that is also ideal.

Other options than Private Audience / Closed Sessions / Dia de Los Muertos are cards such as Ventrue Headquarters / Feraille (but usually, Bewitching Oration is better), or guys like Quentin (the !Ventrue), Bruce de Guy, Michael Luther. But, at the end of the day, if you're playing a vote deck with Cryptic Rider, and no sufficient standing votes, you're doomed - unless you can pull your trick in a single turn (quite difficult... you could try in some turbo deck)

Can you play Cryptic Rider on an automatically-passing vote ? My memory is that you can't, because there is no referendum, only the political action, but I may be wrong.

You can play, cause Cryptic Rider only needs to be played after a succesful referendum, and one that passes automatically is indeed a succesful referendum

> Adonai wrote: > Alternately, play it after votes that other sects can't vote in, like Cardinal Benediction or any vote with Private Audience or Closed Session . > Then why play Cryptic Rider at all instead of more Private Audience/Closed Session? The problem is the same for any kind of action modifier vote push: if you can play the trick that let you pass the first vote more than once per turn, then the deck will be more stable with more of that trick than with Cryptic Rider.

Unless you're only running a type of political action, that reasoning doesn't work. Sometimes your prey is in favour of your ConBoon. Sometimes you get Anson's support on Rumors of Gehenna. In both cases, the other player can be playing the same sect (or even clan, when it comes to pooling from your ConBoon ), and PA / CS won't be as good if your other political action damages / annoys that player.

Best use I've found for Cryptic Rider is for protection against Delaying Tactics. Call some vote like a KRC for 2-and-2 or some vote that gives other people pool 'cause just about anyone will whore out for pool, Cryptic Rider it, then fire off your Death Star Revolutionary Council Vote for the oust. At the NAC in Montreal, I called a Con Boon for Tremere to give people cross table a pool or two, Cryptic Rider'ed it, then called a Patsy to de-buff my prey's only Prince in his Nos 3rd-Trad Boon deck. \,,/

> BenPeal wrote: > At the NAC in Montreal, I called a Con Boon for Tremere to give people cross table a pool or two, Cryptic Rider'ed it, then called a Patsy to de-buff my prey's only Prince in his Nos 3rd-Trad Boon deck. \,,/ > I'd have voted for it.

I don't know if this is the best use - but you could call a vote, pass it, cryptic rider, then call Overseer. For example KRC + Cryptic Rider + Overseer. You could have a bunch of magajii's (getting around Overseer's cardtext)to build a vote lock. Overseer Political Action Requires a Laibon with a capacity above 4. Title. In this referendum, each Guruhi gets one additional vote. Any votes any magaji cast in favor of this referendum are ignored. If this referendum passes, put this card on the acting Laibon to represent the Laibon title of magaji (worth 2 votes).

I would say cryptic rider is best for decks with lots of transient vote push and few table votes, so you can get like double benefit from your transient push.

Also using Cryptic Rider to get AK-47 with Alastor for 2 pool is grrrreat! And if you pull it off normally, you can voter cap it to "reduce" it to 0 pool, but then you are in risk of delaying tactics etc. Banishment is not bad option for Cryptic either, if you REALLY want that other inner circle out of the table for a while.

Banishing Inner Cirles ? I'm sorry to disappoint, but there's been a minor update on Banishment's cardtext

> Pascal wrote: > Banishing Inner Cirles ? I'm sorry to disappoint, but there's been a minor update on Banishment's cardtext > Pfft! Every voter has that 12 capacity vampire. Ok, I know my error and meant 10 caps, but it just came out wrong.