Gary Chatterton again ?

Just for fun : somebody asked me if the printing tool I posted above was with most recent print of the cards. Why ? Because he did not want the deflection by Gary Chatterton. I laughed a lot There was much discussion about this "artist" in the rec.tradingcards.blahblah, and at some point we all agreed that we would get over it. Seems it's still a concern Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier

While I tend to have an affection towards the older card designs (the older, the better), so I may not be the most objective person, I'd never ever play with a card with its art 'designed' by this person. Heck, I only ever play with max 3 Dreams, because the fourth one I own is the new one...

> Kiddo wrote: > While I tend to have an affection towards the older card designs (the older, the better), so I may not be the most objective person, I'd never ever play with a card with its art 'designed' by this person. Heck, I only ever play with max 3 Dreams, because the fourth one I own is the new one... > And still the new Dreams is okay. I mean, you get the idea. The new Bum's Rush and Deflection, however... //shudder Why ever did they do them in the first place? I still sometimes wake up in the night screaming, Chattertons flashing in my eyes. "Oh, to the Hades with the manners! He's a complete bastard, and calling him that insults bastards everywhere!" -Nalia De-Arnise garourimgazette.wordpress.com/ www.vekn.net/forum-guidelines

Personnaly I took all the deflections from Chatterton and replaced the illustration by this. and of course, when deflecting, don't forget to ask "You mad, bro ?" Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier

deflection, and bum's rush are awful. But the one that takes the cake is new Depravity. It must be UGGLIEST picture i have seen on any card, in any cardgame. My cat has better photoshop skills then Gary Chatterton. I never use his cards, never ever

What irks me the most is that those cards are such a huge wasted opportunity. I mean, if they have only said: 'look guys, these are the cards that need artwork. Whoever wins, gets to have his artwork printed and there will be no money prizes of any kind. (Apparently) any technique is an option.', I'm sure they'd have received dozens of fan-made or aspiring artists-made pieces way better and more suitable than what we're stuck with.

> Pendargon wrote: > It must be UGGLIEST picture i have seen on any card, in any cardgame. > If you can, take a look at spellfire card, especially the later one. You would be surprised by how ugly they can be.

When I first saw his art for Depravity I thought of it as horrible. Now I trade my old away to get my hands of the new. It's both ugly and nice at the same time. Isak Esbjörnsson Bjärmark

Geez, I've just had a look at Depravity from HTTB — it looks like place holder artwork. Am shocked that it was published — maybe it fell through the proofing process? Ke Amaranth Deck Building Tool : VTES NZ : VTES ANZ Facebook

" Gary Chatterton is not to blame (...) It's just a matter of budget and art ". -Beter D. Pakija :troll: Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier

We have a kind of ritual in Paris. Each time you play a card illustrated by Gary Chatterton, you have to said loud at the same time "Chatterton!". It reminds us how beautiful we are compared to an artwork of Gary. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

I bet the guy doesn't even exist and it is an alias of Oscar just screwing with us.

> Ke. wrote: > Geez, I've just had a look at Depravity from HTTB — it looks like place holder artwork. > > nekhomanta.h2.pl/pics/games/vtes/httb/depravity.jpg > > Am shocked that it was published — maybe it fell through the proofing process? > > Ke > As a punishment for making me look at it again, you will pay the beers next open Monday

I still have this as a signature on the Polish V:TES forum (made me lol back in the days and just stayed this way...): "I assume the guy must have begged, sucked miles of cocks, or must have any kind of advantageous position to use, but in any case (...) It's just an absolute insult to the buyer" (Huruem on Gary Chatterton's vtes illustrations - games.trading-cards.jyhad) Speaks for itself.

I just saw his cards for the first time, and honestly, I don't think they're that bad. I mean, sure, most of them are horrible for V:TES, but in any other context, they'd be perfectly reasonable. Personally, I think his Thaumaturgy, Obtenebration, and Obedience look better than the originals. Any deck can win, whether you're using stealth bleed, rush combat, or Soul Gem combos. It doesn't matter if your minions use Auspex, Thaumaturgy, or Melpominee. What matters is the Methuselah uses Presence. That is how deals are made. That is how games are won. No, you misunderstand. I don't want...

> 1up20x6 wrote: > Personally, I think his Thaumaturgy, Obtenebration, and Obedience look better than the originals. > He hasn't done any of these cards. vtes.pl/card/395549 vtes.pl/card/395507 vtes.pl/card/395506 Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> Pendargon wrote: > It must be UGGLIEST picture i have seen on any card, in any cardgame. > This is always a matter taste. BUT... Pleazse re-check Rebirth -everything about the picture is SO wrong. Mind of a Killer from the same artist is only marginally better. Oscar Chatterton isn't anywhere near Miskelley's league! Finnish Politics!

vtes.pl/card/41963 says hi :)

> dude_PL wrote: > vtes.pl/card/41963 says hi :) > Well, I like this one despite its cartoon style. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

It's a matter of taste really. Personally I find it on the top 5 of my "I hate this crap" list. Plus - the old FoM was just waaaaaay more cool.

> Ankha wrote: > > > 1up20x6 wrote: > > Personally, I think his Thaumaturgy, Obtenebration, and Obedience look better than the originals. > > > He hasn't done any of these cards. > > vtes.pl/card/395549 > vtes.pl/card/395507 > vtes.pl/card/395506 > Boy, last time I see the first two cards in an image are by him and assume that all of the others are too. In this case, yes, he has no place designing cards for V:TES. Any deck can win, whether you're using stealth bleed, rush combat, or Soul Gem combos. It doesn't matter if your minions use Auspex, Thaumaturgy, or Melpominee. What matters is the Methuselah uses Presence. That is how deals are made. That is how games are won. No, you misunderstand. I don't want...

When I play his Bum's Rush or Depravity it is only to add insult to injury. "I rush you with bad artwork. Deal with it!" Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one. -Friedrich Nietzsche brandonsantacruz.blogspot.com/

While not everyone may love some of those cards (Tha, Obt, etc)... He is responsible for some really below-par photo-shopping junk... But to my mind he sits on just one step below Shy's 4,000-vampires-of-same-ness... Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418

> Juggernaut1981 wrote: > While not everyone may love some of those cards (Tha, Obt, etc)... He is responsible for some really below-par photo-shopping junk... But to my mind he sits on just one step below Shy's 4,000-vampires-of-same-ness... > I can relate to that, yes - Shy had a number of really bad artworks (like, seriously - Ur-Shulgi is just ridiculously bad). However, he did have some good ones as well, especially in the Sabbat / SW times. He made my favorite group of !salubri (I can't stand the g4 vampires), generally the Bloodlines vamps he made were not bad either. It's just that as time passed he got more and more repetitive and didn't seem to care much. I still enjoy his older V:TES artworks though.

> brandonsantacruz wrote: > When I play his Bum's Rush > doesn't it look like the guy in the middle is both getting clocked in his jaw and getting a BJ? Shy would not be that bad if there asn't a humongous amount of vamps by him that are all chest portraits and look so alike. Finnish Politics!

> Reyda wrote: > " Gary Chatterton is not to blame (...) It's just a matter of budget and art ". -Beter D. Pakija :troll: > Man. What a tool you are. In any case, yes. They needed quick, cheap art to make the set come out. So they got some. And the set came out. They could have done something else, which likely would have taken more time and more money to fill in those slots. But they didn't. You'll live. Tool.

That's just not a good enough excuse. The other art for reprints is mostly really good, love the Thaumaturgy amongst others, but my cats shit better art than 'Chatterton'.

But do your cats know how to use kewl lens flare filters in Photoshop?

Well apparently his cats can shite in lens-flare mode... which I have to say is a disturbing visual. Lazy art is usually bad art. Hence why I don't like Shy's art I view as fairly craptacular (since after he made the first one, he basically Rinse & Repeated the rest of them... even if they are hand-painted, they look like he set up a sequence in Photoshop or an equivalent and chose a different colour background). Chatterton's stuff is amateurish. I think there are a lot of VTES players who think that given a pile of images to cut & paste from, they could have produced similar quality artwork. It's disappointing. Personally I'm hoping that the next set has some really special pieces in there. Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418

> bakija wrote: > > > Reyda wrote: > > " Gary Chatterton is not to blame (...) It's just a matter of budget and art ". -Beter D. Pakija :troll: > > > Man. What a tool you are. > > In any case, yes. They needed quick, cheap art to make the set come out. So they got some. And the set came out. They could have done something else, which likely would have taken more time and more money to fill in those slots. But they didn't. You'll live. > > Tool. > You know it was for fun, and your name was not really quoted in a serious form, do you ? just take it as a homage. You always were the mr nice guy of the rec.trading cards forum. I liked it Don't get angry and call people names, it's not you... calling people's name is what tools do. Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier

At least we were spared something like this: garychatterton.creativesource.ca/folio_new.php?id=918&picid=12675&startthumb=

It's not a long step across from Bum's Rush to that 'art'. Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418

looks like some exciting artwork of a brand new auspex card from the upcoming expansion set! repost it to all VTES blogs with your opinions!

> Reyda wrote: > You know it was for fun, and your name was not really quoted in a serious form, do you ? > Fair enough. That was probably uncalled for. Apologies. Back to the point at hand, I'm still baffled that anyone cares this much about those Chatterton cards. Clearly, the game was on its last legs (see: it got shut down right after the publication of that set...) There wasn't, presumably, a lot of money for the art budget. All the cards that got the dubious art were re-prints of cards that needed reprinting, but hadn't been reprinted for a long time due to needing new art. The pictures were likely very cheap and done very quickly, which was probably exactly what they needed. I mean, yeah, they could have had a "get your illustration for Deflection (or whatever) printed" fan contest that would have generated plenty of free, likely more interesting, art for those cards. But that also probably would have taken more time and organization than they had manpower for at the time. On what was clearly a sinking ship. Some of those cards are horrible. Some of them are actually kind of good for what they are. Most of them are just forgettable and certainly no more visually objectionable than other cards with bad illustrations throughout the history of the game (Ambush? Sabbat Flash? Jyhad Fake Out?)

> bakija wrote: > I mean, yeah, they could have had a "get your illustration for Deflection (or whatever) printed" fan contest that would have generated plenty of free, likely more interesting, art for those cards. But that also probably would have taken more time and organization than they had manpower for at the time. > Also, they are hidden costs in this kind of contest. At the very least, legal fees because you don't want the winner to sue you for whatever reason.

Fake Out is neutrally disappointing. Gary Chatterton is actively rotten, shitty card art. Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

I'm sure that White Wolf didn't pay Chatterton less than the other reprint artists and look at Enhanced Senses and Thaumaturgy et al. Decent to very good artwork. Artwork does affect the game, I remember one player who said he refused to play Ambush in his decks (no matter how utilitarian the card was) simply because he couldn't stand the art. He was actually happy when NoR came out so he could play the Ambush rule card and not have to look at the old bad art. I think his name was Peter something.

> Robert wrote: > I think his name was Peter something. > Well, we know his name wasn't Gary.

> Robert wrote: > I remember one player who said he refused to play Ambush in his decks (no matter how utilitarian the card was) simply because he couldn't stand the art. > Not that dissimilar to the girl who used to work in our store who only used cards with pretty pictures in her MtG decks. Kinda commendable that you impose limitations to yourself on how to build decks Finnish Politics!