Nagaraja Nihilistics

Some cards to represent the Nagaraja's discipline of Nihilistics. Aura of Decay Card type: combat Requires: Nagaraja Only usable before range is chosen. The opposing vampire, mummy, or zombie (and his hUor her mummy and zombie retainers) takes 1R damage each round of combat during strike resolution. A vampire can play only one Aura of Decay each combat. Nightcry Card type: action Requires: Nagaraja Cost: 1 blood +1 stealth action. Search your library or ash heap for a wraith ally or retainer. Show it to all players and place it in your hand (shuffle and discard afterward). If this Nagaraja has a capacity greater than 5, he or she can recruit the ally or employ the retainer as if he or she meets the requirements (pay costs as normal). Oblivion's Dance Card type: combat Requires: Nagaraja Cost: 1 blood Not usable on the first round of combat. Strike: 3R damage, this strike cannot be dodged. Prince of Puyallup

Oblivion dance is so weak it is useless (round 2 strike that cost blood ? For this price we can burn vampire outright in obtenetration...). Nightcry seem too risky for me. Ponticulus is ridiculous enough when only played by tremere and true brujah. It's not a case of brute power, more a case of "if everybody can get a damage immune blocker, nobody will ever die". Why not for Aura of Decay.

> Ohlmann wrote: > Nightcry seem too risky for me. Ponticulus is ridiculous enough when only played by tremere and true brujah. It's not a case of brute power, more a case of "if everybody can get a damage immune blocker, nobody will ever die". > A Nagaraja can't recruit Ponticulus. I like the 2 first cards. Oblivion's Dance is crap. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> glaswanderer wrote: > If this Nagaraja has a capacity greater than 5, he or she can recruit the ally or employ the retainer as if he or she meets the requirements. > By text, he can recruit Ponticulus with the second card.

Better to make all those cards with special rules when played by nagaraja. Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.

So, is Nightcry too cheap or too powerful? Lech. Why should these be Necromancy cards with special rules? Why can't they just be Nagaraja cards, there are only 3? Prince of Puyallup

> glaswanderer wrote: > So, is Nightcry too cheap or too powerful? > Nagaraja usually only get played in Giovanni decks which already have access to Tye Cooper and Ambrosius. Considering that to play Ponticulus in such a deck you would have the additional opportunity costs and potential dead cards? The net gain vs. just having Tye Cooper is completely acceptable IMO. > glaswanderer wrote: > Lech. Why should these be Necromancy cards with special rules? Why can't they just be Nagaraja cards, there are only 3? > To increase playability. Nagaraja are fundamentally a support clan and their clan cards, if there should be any, should reflect that.

I've never thought of Nagaraja as being a combat clan...

> Suoli wrote: > Nagaraja usually only get played in Giovanni decks which already have access to Tye Cooper and Ambrosius. > I disagree. I have seen some specific nagaraja played in a lot of deck, because some, like Le Din Tho, Sennadurek, or Ashuresh, have very useful special hard to get otherwise. Also, they often mesh well as or mid cap with useful special, so it's extremely restricting to use them only with Giovannis. Considering that, it does indeed make easier to get a (regular) damage immune blocker. Which may not be uber powerful (compare to Marie Streck + War ghoul for example) but it's annoying and lead to more timeout, which is alway bad. As a side note, it also autorize Mata Hari to tutorize thoses aforementionned wraith.

> Ohlmann wrote: > > > glaswanderer wrote: > > If this Nagaraja has a capacity greater than 5, he or she can recruit the ally or employ the retainer as if he or she meets the requirements. > > > By text, he can recruit Ponticulus with the second card. > I skipped the "as if he or she meets the requirements (pay costs as normal)." part, you're right. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> glaswanderer wrote: > Oblivion's Dance > Card type: combat > Requires: Nagaraja > Cost: 1 blood > Not usable on the first round of combat. > Strike: 3R damage, this strike cannot be dodged. > I share Ohlmann's concerns about the card, but I think you've addressed the wrong part. The Nagaraja aren't very combative already. Aus/Dom/Nec isn't the makings of a strong combat clan. Pot/Dom/Nec doesn't make the Giovanni that great in combat, and Auspex isn't exactly helping that much. Going to a second round means you've already been potentially exposed to a world of pain. Honestly, I don't see it making a great combat card when it's stuck in the second round.

In addition to that, second round card are already scarcely played while they are a lot more powerful. Then again, not every card have to be playable. It's just that at best the card will be a trap. If a Nagaraja is dead-on trying to do damage, Psychic blast which is free and playable on first round will usually work a lot better. A psychic blast is already pretty bad when you are not black hand.

> Ohlmann wrote: > Then again, not every card have to be playable. > /slap Go to your room.

Kept the cost, got rid of the second round. Prince of Puyallup

> Dorrinal wrote: > > > Ohlmann wrote: > > Then again, not every card have to be playable. > > > /slap > > Go to your room. > You will laugh at my telepathic tracking + Oblivion's Dance deck! (hint: it will do as well as my Riposte deck!) Independent Futurist. Contrarian (titled, X votes where X is the number of votes as the acting minion.) Target Vitals is always the better combat card.