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If you spoof a card, the card cost 1 extra pool or in case of blood cost an extra blood. If you spoof a sybils tongue would it cost 1 pool + xblood or x+1 blood. I was wondering since the first card does not cost any blood. Have a cold long night, Jeroen van Oort Dutch National Coördinator

> Oortje wrote: > If you spoof a sybils tongue would it cost 1 pool + xblood or x+1 blood. I was wondering since the first card does not cost any blood. > Since it's an unofficial, unsanctioned format, check with the organiser. However, following the usual CaC rules, Sibyl's Tongue has a blood cost of X, so it has a blood cost, so increase that by one.

Here's Jussi Hattara's version of the CAC rules, the most up-to-date version I'm aware of: www.tenerdo.org/cac.html In those rules, spoofing a card with a blood cost increases the blood cost by 1 and does not add a pool cost.

Cards that have blood cost increase blood cost, other cards increase pool cost. Jussi Hattara Webmaster Extraordinaire Finnish Politics!

LSJ's ruling on Lord Aaron Wesley Wilshire is that the Methuselah playing the card chooses. I'll link the reference later. Best to do is: check with organiser.

> Pascal wrote: > LSJ's ruling on Lord Aaron Wesley Wilshire is that the Methuselah playing the card chooses. > This is set at design time, though, surely? For example, if you decided to spoof Leathery Hide, it has no blood cost, so it'd increase by 1 pool (using the default CaC rules). (And this would almost certainly mean you didn't choose to spoof it!) However, if you faced a deck playing Terror Frenzy, the card would now have a blood cost. But I don't think anyone would argue that would remove the pool cost you'd added to it. The fact that Sibyl costs X blood (even though X can be zero) suggests that at design time, you should be bumping it to cost X+1. Similarly, if I played Masochism - which actually reduces blood costs - I don't think a spoofed card with a now non-existent blood cost would pick up an extra cost of a pool. > Masochism wrote: > Whenever this vampire plays a card, you may remove X rush counters from this card to reduce that card's blood cost by X. >

Aaron is so unrelated to this thread. Leathery Hide spoofed would cost 1 pool. Sibyl's Tongue would cost X+1 blood. Of course the rules can be changed, because they are not official. Jussi Hattara Webmaster Extraordinaire Finnish Politics!