Additional votes vs Fee Stake

If a non-titled vampire has access to additional votes (via Kduva's Mask, for example), does he get fewer votes when trying to remove a Fee Stake? Or, to be more precise, does a non-titled vampire with access to perma votes become a titled vampire? Or is it handled just as if he played a Bewitching Oration? > Kduva's Mask > Type: Equipment > Requires: laibon > Cost: 2 pool > Unique equipment. Requires a ready Laibon. > This Laibon gets +1 bleed and 2 additional votes. Reaction cards that require Auspex [aus] cost an additional blood while this Laibon is acting. > > Fee Stake: Whatever > ... > Any vampire can call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth political action. In that referendum, non-anarch titles are worth 1 fewer votes. >

LSJ answer in this thread. Additional votes does not make a vampire titled so the Fee Stake vote reduction does not effect Kduva's Mask.

Thanks for a quick reply!

"... has X votes" = TITLE "... has X additional votes" = not a title Retired Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418

> Juggernaut1981 wrote: > "... has X votes" = TITLE > My understanding is this only applies where printed on a crypt card, not to effects from library cards . Eg:Legacy of pander doesn't give you a title. "Each non -titled pander has 1 vote ". -- salem

> salem wrote: > > > Juggernaut1981 wrote: > > "... has X votes" = TITLE > > > My understanding is this only applies where printed on a crypt card, not to effects from library cards . Eg:Legacy of pander doesn't give you a title. "Each non -titled pander has 1 vote ". > Correct. Prince of Paris, France Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director

> salem wrote: > My understanding is this only applies where printed on a crypt card, not to effects from library cards > Pretty much all of these have been clarified in the card lists to say "has X vote(s) (titled)". And some were printed that way, of course. If there are any missing that text, it's worth mentioning to floppy for the next time he does an update.